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You guys know cars really good so I figured this was the place to get some good ideas on this. It's a 2004 Taurus SEL. I have never had any issues with this car. From day 1 it has always run like a champ. In-fact the car has always been so good that it is the reason why I bought a new 2010 Ford product. I've never had one single problem with this car. Then one day when I went to start it all I heard was a loud clicking sound from the starter (starter solenoid). It does not try to crank at all. Thought it was a bad battery so I replaced it (also cleaned the ground connection going to the frame) and now I also replaced the starter. Same symptoms, it just clicks at the starter solenoid… Any ideas on what to check next? :(
 

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[quote author=Milan Premier link=topic=191369.msg4034715#msg4034715 date=1306524722]
You guys know cars really good so I figured this was the place to get some good ideas on this. It's a 2004 Taurus SEL. I have never had any issues with this car. From day 1 it has always run like a champ. In-fact the car has always been so good that it is the reason why I bought a new 2010 Ford product. I've never had one single problem with this car. Then one day when I went to start it all I heard was a loud clicking sound from the starter (starter solenoid). It does not try to crank at all. Thought it was a bad battery so I replaced it (also cleaned the ground connection going to the frame) and now I also replaced the starter. Same symptoms, it just clicks at the starter solenoid… Any ideas on what to check next? :(
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Hi MP. :wavey: My first thought after battery was a bad ignition module? However, the clicking may eliminate that possibility.

Have to be honest, since it seems you may have already replaced a good battery and a good starter, sometimes it is less expensive to have it looked at professionally than throw parts at the problem. Of course, that is only my opinion.

Hope you find the issue soon.

Good luck. :cheers:
 

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I don't think I'd have to throw parts at it because I have another 2004 Taurus that I could temporarily use for parts to test with :p

The problem is I have run out of ideas of what would cause such a simple symptom...

I was thinking anti-theft but I don't think the solenoid would be making any noise if it was a anti-theft issue.
 

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[quote author=Milan Premier link=topic=191369.msg4034764#msg4034764 date=1306528349]
I don't think I'd have to throw parts at it because I have another 2004 Taurus that I could temporarily use for parts to test with :p

The problem is I have run out of ideas of what would cause such a simple symptom...

I was thinking anti-theft but I don't think the solenoid would be making any noise if it was a anti-theft issue.
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Hi MP. :wavey: My apologies if I misunderstood. All I could go on was what you stated in your first post and you never mentioned having a second "donor Taurus". It seemed you were saying you paid for/replaced the battery and starter with new ones and they were not the cause ("Thought it was a bad battery so I replaced it (also cleaned the ground connection going to the frame) and now I also replaced the starter.").

If you took those parts off your other Taurus, then that was a good idea. However, if you purchased new ones and installed them on the problem car and it did not solve the issue, then that is what is meant by "throwing parts at the problem". It is not meant as an insult, it is simply a generally accepted automotive term.

Since you have a donor car, I would give the ignition module a shot.

Keep us updated and good luck. :cheers:
 

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If you took those parts off your other Taurus, then that was a good idea.[/quote]
Unfortunately I didn't take the starter out of the other Taurus because it is not such an easy job to do on this car. Plus it was cold out when I first started working on this car so I just bought a new starter, since usually the clicking sound like this is either a bad starter or a bad battery. Lucky me to have the one car where it's something else causing the problem :lol:

It is not meant as an insult
No, no, I understand that.... I was just clarifying for you :)

Since you have a donor car, I would give the ignition module a shot.
Any idea of where it might be located? I can't remember ever replacing one of those.
 

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[quote author=bbf2530 link=topic=191369.msg4034791#msg4034791 date=1306529833]
If you took those parts off your other Taurus, then that was a good idea.[/quote]
Unfortunately I didn't take the starter out of the other Taurus because it is not such an easy job to do on this car. Plus it was cold out when I first started working on this car so I just bought a new starter, since usually the clicking sound like this is either a bad starter or a bad battery. Lucky me to have the one car where it's something else causing the problem :lol:

It is not meant as an insult
No, no, I understand that.... I was just clarifying for you :)

Since you have a donor car, I would give the ignition module a shot.
Any idea of where it might be located? I can't remember ever replacing one of those.
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Hi MP. :wavey: In my experience with other cars in the past, it was located in the steering column/steering column vicinity. To be honest though (and to save you needless work), I think (but am not 100% sure) that the clicking of the starter solenoid sort of eliminates that possibility.

Keep us updated and good luck. :cheers:
 

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Yeah I don't think the solenoid would be getting power and clicking if it was anything before that part (like the key switch for example). I need to rule these things out anyway though so I'll probably still look at it. I'm also going to try using a different key just in case it's anti-theft related. THANKS again for the suggestion :)
 

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first off you may just have a bad solenoid and not the starter. i know most older fords the solenoid is not part of the starter assembly. its located elsewhere. i do not know on the taurus. also check your main wire going from the solenoid to the starter (again only if it is not one unit) sometimes with high milage cars that is the issue.

step 1 bench test the starter and solenoid by clamping it in a vice and putting a 12v power to the proper leg of the solenoid. then there are two terminals on the solenoid a ground and a 12V it works both ways so dont worry. apply 12v and ground and see what happens. you will also have to chassis ground the starter to the negative of the battery as well.

if the starter doesnt kick off then bypass the solenoid by jumping the two terminals with a screw driver. Makes alot of sparks but wont hurt it. if the starter kicks to life its the solenoid.

as you stated the solenoid is clicking so its not ignition based the solenoid may have just broken inside.

i have also gotten bad starters from the autoparts store if they are remanufactured.
 

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first off you may just have a bad solenoid and not the starter. i know most older fords the solenoid is not part of the starter assembly. its located elsewhere. i do not know on the taurus. also check your main wire going from the solenoid to the starter (again only if it is not one unit) sometimes with high milage cars that is the issue.

step 1 bench test the starter and solenoid by clamping it in a vice and putting a 12v power to the proper leg of the solenoid. then there are two terminals on the solenoid a ground and a 12V it works both ways so dont worry. apply 12v and ground and see what happens. you will also have to chassis ground the starter to the negative of the battery as well.

if the starter doesnt kick off then bypass the solenoid by jumping the two terminals with a screw driver. Makes alot of sparks but wont hurt it. if the starter kicks to life its the solenoid.

as you stated the solenoid is clicking so its not ignition based the solenoid may have just broken inside.

i have also gotten bad starters from the autoparts store if they are remanufactured.
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Starter and solenoid are one piece. Already bench tested before I installed. It works fine. THANKS for trying though... Appreciate it :)
 

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so it doensnt work when its installed in the car? you can make an ignition bypass by tying a jumper wire to the pos post of the solenoind and bypass the ignition completely. the starter is always constant hot from the battery or simply jamming a large screw driver across the terminals will let you see if its possibly an ignition issue? the starter solenoid may not be getting the proper voltage from either the inition or the main power constant for the starter (the 8 gauge)

good luck
 
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