why would anyone buy a fusion when...

[quote author=linashley27 link=topic=184893.msg3908461#msg3908461 date=1295132027]
they see this in the showroom?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/262093/ford_focus_16_ecoboost_review.html
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Usually just ignore "these types" of posts, but the glaring attempt at "pot stirring" and apparent lack of forethought were just too obvious. So gee, why would anyone buy a Fusion when they see a new 2012 1.6L EcoBoost Focus in the showroom? Hmmm...let's just start with these obvious reasons:
1 - The new 2012 1.6L EcoBoost Focus (or any 2012 Focus for that matter) is not available in any U.S showroom yet. :dur:
2 - When it does reach U.S. showrooms, sit in the front and back of the 2012 Focus for awhile. For those who need the interior/passenger and trunk room, the Fusion is substantially larger and more comfortable. :dur:
3 - In addition to being a larger car, the 3.0L and 3.5L V-6 Fusion models are substantially more powerful, quicker, smoother, quieter etc. etc.. than that not yet available 2012 Focus. :dur:
4 - Additional reasons are obvious and should not need further explanation to those not looking to needlessly "stir the pot" (as usual). :dur:

Bottom line: The new Focus is (or in the U.S., will be) a very nice small car. However, it certainly is not a replacement for a very nice mid-size car, unless all you need is a small car. That is why cars are made in all different sizes. :dur:

Why buy a focus? You want small..do it right.

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[quote author=linashley27 link=topic=184893.msg3908461#msg3908461 date=1295132027]
they see this in the showroom?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/262093/ford_focus_16_ecoboost_review.html
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Usually just ignore "these types" of posts, but the glaring attempt at "pot stirring" and apparent lack of forethought were just too obvious. So gee, why would anyone buy a Fusion when they see a new 2012 1.6L EcoBoost Focus in the showroom? Hmmm...let's just start with these obvious reasons:
1 - The new 2012 1.6L EcoBoost Focus (or any 2012 Focus for that matter) is not available in any U.S showroom yet. :dur:
2 - When it does reach U.S. showrooms, sit in the front and back of the 2012 Focus for awhile. For those who need the interior/passenger and trunk room, the Fusion is substantially larger and more comfortable. :dur:
3 - In addition to being a larger car, the 3.0L and 3.5L V-6 Fusion models are substantially more powerful, quicker, smoother, quieter etc. etc.. than that not yet available 2012 Focus. :dur:
4 - Additional reasons are obvious and should not need further explanation to those not looking to needlessly "stir the pot" (as usual). :dur:

Bottom line: The new Focus is (or in the U.S., will be) a very nice small car. However, it certainly is not a replacement for a very nice mid-size car, unless all you need is a small car. That is why cars are made in all different sizes. :dur:
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1. the focus is coming soon to the US
2. How many of you fusion owners actually have rear seat passengers of substantial size? The front seat of the focus is plenty comfortable. If not, I guess you guys are overweight :lol:
3. more powerful, maybe, but the 2012 focus is quieter, and faster around the track as well.

my point is that having both cars in the same showroom, it will be painfully obvious that the fusion is severely outdated and in need of replacement. in fact, it is probably near the bottom of the rung of midsize sedans these days. if ford wants to improve their image, they need to replace the fusion as soon as possible.
[/quote]Well i usually do carry 2-3 people with me, and for longer stints, its more of a family car (i dont have a family but still have alot of friends) the 2012 focus is a great little car, but it also doesnt carry the i guess you would say "mature look" for me. Also the it comes down to ride for me, shorter wheel base = a more jarring ride. I first had a 850GLT as a car, moved to a Dodge Avenger (2dr sports coupe thing) and then to a 1999 Taurus, and to the Fusion (im 24) I thought my first new car would be a racy thing, but i grew up? lol The Focus has its strong points but its the same reason someone would go from a civic to a Accord. Also the Fusion was rated C&D best car 2010 and, honestly your getting alot for your money, My sister just picked up a 2011 Camry and it was the same MSRP as my car (24 and some) it didnt have bluetooth, didnt have a SYNC equivalency etc. The 2010-2011 Fusion really uped the game considering its contenders. as my father said when i showed it to him "This is a ford!?" and mind you my father owns a 2004 E55 amg, 2006 Audi A8, a 2008 Denali XL and a Harley Davidson. So for him to say that is quite a complement to ford. The Focus is for the younger crowd, especially with its looks and sportier ride.

[quote author=linashley27 link=topic=184893.msg3908820#msg3908820 date=1295199733]

1. the focus is coming soon to the US
2. How many of you fusion owners actually have rear seat passengers of substantial size? The front seat of the focus is plenty comfortable. If not, I guess you guys are overweight :lol:
3. more powerful, maybe, but the 2012 focus is quieter, and faster around the track as well.

my point is that having both cars in the same showroom, it will be painfully obvious that the fusion is severely outdated and in need of replacement. in fact, it is probably near the bottom of the rung of midsize sedans these days. if ford wants to improve their image, they need to replace the fusion as soon as possible.
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And this sage and "expert" advice/opinion comes from an individual who has graced us with some of these wonderful gems in his/her most recent posts (these are direct, copied/cut and pasted quotes) :bash: :lmao::
1 - From an already existing thread titled "3.0 V6 Engine Oil Leak": "i also have a 3.0 V6 with around 83k miles and today while getting out of my car I noticed a burning smell too. But I am not very car savvy so I don't know if it has an oil leak or if its an oil smell. How do I tell?. This particular post of yours was deleted by a Moderator for being just plain silly (I assume).
2 - From an already existing thread titled "fuel mileage": "in my experience, you can get up to twice the mileage staying in 6th gear and tailgating a semi truck real close" Although obviously fictitious and probably posted by you merely to be argumentative, this particular post of yours was deleted after being considered by several Moderators as outright illegal and dangerous advice.
3 - From an already existing thread titled "2011 SE brakes in the winter": "me too, i was driving 100mph weaving between traffic during a blizzard, and i braked hard a few times to avoid slow moving traffic, no ABS pulsation, just slowed down the car nicely. this is with the much derided all season pilot mxm4s too." "...driving 100mph weaving between traffic during a blizzard..."? Is any comment even necessary for this post (if so, see "illegal and dangerous" above)?

And those posts are just from within the last week or so. We could dig up many of your older posts that exhibit the same type of "automotive knowledge" and attitude toward others, but it should not be necessary.

So according to your own words, you are a "not very car savvy" individual who can not tell the difference between an oil smell and an oil leak, gives illegal/dangerous/ridiculous advice to others, drives in a manner hazardous to others, yet seems to feel that he/she also has valid opinions that others should heed? You attempt to insult the intelligence of FFC members and then wonder why you are considered a "troll" (your words), ignored by others and have your more dangerous, ridiculous and silly posts deleted.

Or to use your own words again from another of your recent posts: "why are my opinions never taken seriously while someone can make a similar comment... and they aren't regarded as a troll?". Heck for that answer, all you need do is reread your own posts. You do not seem to be here to learn about the Fusion/Milan/MKZ, nor do you seem to be interested in helping others learn about these cars, so stop wondering why you are not taken seriously.

So to briefly address your three "points" and close this thread out:
1 - Again, the 2012 Focus is not yet available in the U.S.. Therefore, you have not sat in a 2012 Focus, let alone driven one (you have likely not even viewed one in person). So in addition to being incorrect, all your points are moot/unprovable from any personal experience standpoint.
2 - FYI: Height (or more precisely, upper body/torso to leg length ratio) is the usual deciding factor in vehicle ergonomics, not weight. Perhaps you are of "shorter stature" and can fit comfortably in the back of a compact car. Those of us 6 foot and over (woman or man), can not. In many cases, individuals shorter than 6' are still too tall to fit comfortably in the rear seats of a compact car. In fact, being of taller stature can even be a problem in the front seats of some compact cars. You obviously do not have that "stature" problem. Infant/child seats would be another difficulty in a compact car. Those are just a few of many points you overlook (to be intentionally argumentative, I believe). Another FYI: Once you attempt to insult other FFC members, you know what you get: Locked and muted. So choose your words very carefully.
3 - Concerning power: Either Fusion V-6 is not "maybe" more powerful, they are definitely more powerful. In addition to your lack of hands-on personal experience, there are no road tests backing those ridiculous "...quieter, and faster around the track...(than a Fusion)" claims. And these are not race cars. They are reasonably priced compact and mid-size hatches and sedans. Besides, in the hands of a "not very car savvy" individual such as yourself, track times would be non-repeatable and inconsequential.

You need to remember that people recall what you post, and in your case it does not paint a very flattering picture. If you wish to be treated as a mature/contributing FFC member, then please act and post like one.

You (and we) know that you posted this topic/thread solely to be argumentative. If your motive was simply informational, you would have left out the "why would anyone buy this...when they can buy this or that" tone and just said, "Hey, has everyone seen this new 2012 Focus, I think it looks good...?. But you didn't.

In the future, you can either become a helpful member of the FFC forums, or you can continue to be viewed and treated as a "troll" (once again, your own words). In the meantime, you should not be surprised when your more egregious posts are deleted, locked or worse.

HALOREALM is in before the lock.