[pkoko]

I am looking to chip my v6 milan.. what is the best option for me?? fordship or Junesed modified??? any other options??

how much gain can I expect??

any questions on Fuel economy??

thanks

 

[pete]

See my dyno results for gains.

Fuel economy even with the increased performance should be the same or better. You can also get a program specifically for fuel economy.

 

[Bob Jusnes]

Im sure you have read up in the forums, and we can feed you stuff like "mine is better because: blah blah blah" but I choose to let my customers speak for themselves.

You can talk to

Metallicat
swoop1156

We have also done tunes for

Nick S.
Larry B.

I wont release their usernames until i get their approval, but you can read many reviews on our programming on these boards.

 

[swoop1156]

I have written an extensive review here on the forums. Please search and read my results.

 

[pete]

[quote author=swoop1156 link=topic=53700.msg877043#msg877043 date=1155201089]
I have written an extensive review here on the forums.  Please search and read my results.
[/quote]

Take Swoop's review with a grain of salt... Doug(BamaChips) and Bob(Jusnes Modified) are friend's of his. Not exactly unbiased.

 

[swoop1156]

[quote author=pete link=topic=53700.msg877422#msg877422 date=1155223289]
[quote author=swoop1156 link=topic=53700.msg877043#msg877043 date=1155201089]
I have written an extensive review here on the forums. Please search and read my results.
[/quote]

Take Swoop's review with a grain of salt... Doug(BamaChips) and Bob(Jusnes Modified) are friend's of his. Not exactly unbiased.


[/quote]

...And I don't know how you can say that, after I explained that it would not matter if I knew you OR them -- as I want what is best for my vehicle. I could care less if I was liking your product better and I knew them. I want what is going to work the best, and what is going to net me the greater results. You know what my choice was. My decision was for the car, not advertising and monetary gain for Bob and Doug. I know Bob and Doug from another few automotive car forums, not personally. I've never met them in person, much like Pete.

Since you tried to give me a bad name, and make it seem like I am trying to take you business away, maybe this guy and the rest of the forum can read this, snice Pete decided to say what he did.

Here are some PM's that I've sent people that ASK ME what they should do. Here are my honest-to-goodness answers.

I've known Bob for quite some time and Pete called me on "advertising for a friend". I am not, I would not care if his or Pete's product was superior -- I would run what is the best for my money and vehicle. I can still remain friends with anyone, yet I do have to tell you that I have run BOTH tuines.

I bought a tuner from Pete and from Bob.

I received Pete's tune first and uploaded that to the Fusion. It was nice, I felt a little more kick after around 3,500rpm's and I think the shifting was a little TOO delayed. It seemed that the engine was not developing any more power, so why have the engine turn faster and not accelerate when I could be in a higher gear making power, right?

So, I then got Bob's tune and loaded that one in there. I felt an immediate difference letting off the brake leaving the parking spot. That is seriously no joking statement. Your maybe thinking, "Leaving the spot?!" Yes, leaving the spot I noticed a change.

I took off into traffic at an alarming rate of acceleration and I was in a slight right-hand turn and 2nd gear got some rubber. This was on the 87 Performance tune. I also removed the Air Silencer and installed a panel K&N filter.

Anyway man, I really recommend the tuner from Bob and Doug. It, in MY PERSONAL opinion, was a more thought out tune and not a tune that was the "race the be first", you know?

I would not endorse a product that I did not stand behind, just to get someone a sale, I hope that you believe that. I would not appreciate that if someone did that to me, and I don't do that to anyone.

You can go with Pete, but for the same price and maybe even cheaper -- go with Bob and Jusnes Modified and be happy as you can be.

As far as flashing with other mods, you can! They can make intricate changes if you make exhaust modifications, intake, tire and wheel sizes/weight -- pretty much anything that the computer controls you can look at.

I hope this helps, and tell Bob that I sent you!

Another one...

Hey there!

Don't worry at all about asking me anything man, that's why I post here and offer my findings to you all out there.

Seriously, I am not just advertising for a friend. Secondly, do not get the tuner from "Pete" through "Ford Chips". Not that there is anything wrong with the tune, but the difference in the Bamachips/Jusnes Modified tune and his are monumental!

Now that that is done, here is what I see.

I have only run the 87 Performance tune. I have yet to try the 93 Performance and the 93 Torque tune.

I noticed an IMMEDIATE difference, even only letting off the brake coasting out of my parking spot. The first initial 1-2 gearshift was really different. It's like it, jumps RPM even with the power not being applied..I don't know how to describe that.

But driving around town, I notice it really sucks in more air, as I can hear it since I have removed the air tube [something I recommend with or without the tuner], and that was a for sure tip off that this thing changes the way the engine works.

Other than full on wide-open-throttle changes like the FordChips version made, this one changes everything in the power band. The shifting is smooth, yet quick and rapid. There is no more slipping feel.

It's like... At WOT with a stock Fusion, the transmission will ease into the next gear, and kinda lets the engine RPM "hover", if you can imagine, and then it smoothly engages the next gear. With the tune, the transmission is still smooth, but immediately jumps to the next gear and does not lose as much RPM between the shifts. The added timing changes and air mixture allows the engine to produce more power as well.

Weird this is with this tune; I have been trying to keep ALL my shifts between 2,500 and 3,000 RPM for testing purposes. I use the cruise as much as I can as well. Funny thing is, is that the harder I drive this thing, the BETTER fuel mileage I get. Now, I am not talking about redlining every gear from every light, I am meaning more of hitting 4,000-4,500 RPM on shifts, and getting to speed quicker, other than lugging the shifts, and having the engine work longer at a lower RPM to get to the same speed, you know?

So, I thought about that. If my engine is at 2,000 RPM for 2 minutes, does it use the same amount of fuel it would at 4,000 RPM for 1 minute? I am not sure, but I think that if I can get to 60mph in 30 seconds utilizing 4,000 RPM instead of taking 1 minute using lower RPM, I can use the other 30 seconds at a cruising speed and at a very slow engine speed, without dumping fuel in for acceleration purpose.

I hope you could follow. I am quite not the expert in explaining my brain, I don’t even understand sometimes.

So far, I have recorded an average of 22mpg in the city, where I was usually marking 18-19. On the expressway [I don’t use it much] I've hit 32-34mpg, whereas the same trip from my friend’s house would net me around 27-28.

Seriously man, I am not making this up.

I am VERY in tune with my vehicles and I try to understand how it works. I know that removing the air silencer tube has given me more power and mileage, and the tuner from JusnesModified has only further increased it.

With some of the testimonials online about the K&N filter making a HUGE difference on a stock Fusion with NOTHING removed or done -- I ordered mine to see if the three can make a killer combo.

For performance stats, I can get rubber during the 1-2 shift at full throttle, something that's never happened before, and I also tapped [scary] 7,000 RPM at a 1-2 shift. I think I had confused the computer, as I went for it, let off and then nailed it again.

I do weird things with mine, since we are still testing some tunes, but other than that one thing which I am sure I personally caused, this tune has been rock solid. No stalling, hesitation, hiccups, burps or nothing.

I TOTALLY recommend it.

All the above was for the Bamachips/JusnesModified tune.

About the Pete/FordChip tune, as far as I can tell, all they changed was elements for the wide-open throttle. The shifting was not as improved, yet was still better than stock. The 1-2 was pretty harsh, and the others were really smooth, almost too much like stock.

Daily driving in the city was like driving another Fusion. Just easing the gas didn't set me in the seat, almost like the Jusnes Tune really gave me low-end torque that you can FEEL.

Again, it's not cheap advertising for Bob, Kris or Doug...yet an un-biased opinion from a car-guy that has both tunes, and chooses to run one of them in his personally owned vehicle.

There is a couple of informative reviews I've written. Pete, take them as you will.

Here is another warning about Pete, since I'm on a roll. He promised me a tracking number with my tuner. He kept giving me excuse after excuse why he couldn't email the number to me, or something. He damn near refused to give me a contact number for him. He NEVER GAVE ME A TRACKING NUMBER. Instead, he insisted that the tuner was shipped and that it's on the way.

A few days later, I get an OVERNIGHT package from Michigan. From Pete. It was the tuner. There never was a tracking number, and it was NEVER sent when he said.

His customer service to me is NOT professional. Maybe I had a bad experience, but I am an honorable human being.

Pete, you can take this how you want, I don't care after that personal attack.

To all on this website that are wanting to buy a tuner... Buy it from Bob. Period.

 

[Boggus]

"Let's get ready to Rumble !!"

 

[confusion]

Well said Adam, I felt that something like this would have eventually happened here on the forum. It's ashame that this topic has taken this direction. I can personally atest to some rather aggrevating PM's I've received from Pete but kept them off this forum to allow others to make up their own minds. This type of childish finger pointing is something I have to deal with everyday and will not tollerate it on my own time. As for this forum, it has taken a new direction and not a good one.
As for myself, those of you that have read my post and may have questions, you can continue to PM me at my listed e-mail address. As for the rest, later

 

[pete]

Marc (confusion) now I am confused.... You sent me the following e-mail:

Hey Pete,

I've finally done as much as I wanted to do to the Fusion, and I'm ready for your tuning expertise. I really do need to appologise to you for my previous comments, I was out of line especially on the forum. But I did learn one thing about you and that is your passionate about what you do and the product you produce. I suppose I was expecting the same type of response as most everyone gets from a supplier that being "So! I don't care" but you suprised me when you fought back. 
I'd rather send my money to someone who takes it personally than someone who couldn't give 2 cents what I think.

Let me know how this all is suppose to work out, I know I need to send you the Vin #. Do I need to call you on the phone to get the payment info or how does this all work.

Thanks,

Confusion, I don't eat crow too often. 


I thought you and I had an understanding.

 

[pete]

Adam, I wasn't bashing you just pointing out that your review may have been biased. You admitted that Bob was a "good friend". Your words... not mine.

Yes, our tune was the 1st out there and has been improved since so your old review isn't really relevant anymore.

Tuner bashing is pointless. Bob seems like a good guy and its good to have choices.

 

[confusion]

Hey DICK, who in the hell gave you permission to print my full name you sack of shit. And let me explain to all the fellow readers looking at this, that note called a Personal Message (PM) is just that and was sent long before Bob at Bama Chips started getting into the picture. So when your the only kid on the block (at that time) and a service is available, one would tend to keep the provider on a friendly basis. And ever since Bob has come on line YOU have taken every opportunity to slip in your childish useless opinion, but yet we've seen no proof to back up you claims. You are a pathetic little man. And don't think while hiding behind your keyboard that you can actually get away with trying to slame me. Your track record speaks for itself, your walking a fine line between right and wrong and you've just stepped over it.

And yes Pete, you were bashing Adam. You remind me of some little kid trying to get back at the school bully while your hiding behind the teachers skirt.

Don't fuck with me boy! Just back away and stick to what you know best , Nothing !

 

[swoop1156]

Marc,

I appreciate it that someone else is seeing my point of view.

Pete,

Look man, I didn't post what I did above to get you negative feedback, hurt your sales, or try to diminish your personal standing on this board, ok? I know that there are people that have bought from you on this board. I know that there are people that have bought from Bob. Oh, and by the way for everyone reading this, I did say something along the lines of Bob Jusnes being a "good friend" of mine. No harm there, we should all be so privelaged to have "good friends" in our life.

Back to the topic at hand -- Pete, this is not how you win customers. I can understand that your tune was the first out and well -- it wasn't good. I told you that, and I told you what I felt needed to be changed. If I recall, I believe I even compaired it to Bob's tune. You sold me a tuner straight up, I paid you, you shipped, end of deal. So why all the negativity and continuing BS with all this?

If you knew my review on YOUR tune is not "really relevant anymore", then why say that "take Swoop's review with a grain of salt"? If we are referring to salt, sir, then it seems that you are rubbing it in your own wound. What any respectable business owner/operator/clerk SHOULD have done was eat the negativity, swallow the fact that people have to do their own research, and UNDERSTAND that the best advertisement, and also the worst -- comes from 'word of mouth'. You know that I never said anything bad about you, Pete, to anyone. I just strictly talked tunes and customer service, nothing more than what is related in a sale. But now, I have proven to myself and possibly the rest of the forum what type of person you really are, along with the postings from my friend Marc, whom I've met in person. We've spoken as well about this before...You should delete at least his last name, Pete. Give us that courtesy at least, huh? Some of us don't put our name out there, since people like ME know what I can do with it.

Pete, I guess all in all, I am happy with my tune from Bob and if your's was improved, I had purchased a tune from you -- why haven't you come to me and asked if I would like to try your new one? Do you not like to KEEP customers? Maybe your tune will rock Bob's -- but I am sure it won't. Wouldn't you like to see? Apparently not.

From now on, Pete, when I get private messages from individuals on this board asking about tuning programs, Bob or Pete...Pete or Bob... I am going to tell them the whole story. Not to hurt your sales, not to take away customers and definately NOT to "hook up a friend" as you have finger-pointed me on on so many occasions -- it's to save them THIS grief we are going through right now.

Add it up man... Lies, attitude, lies, inferior product, lies, shipping issues, lies, and this type of childish behavior on the internet? I am not an internet bully and I don't take well to people who think they are big and bad and can say anything they want about anything or anyone behind a keyboard. Most of the time, I laugh and think, "wow...it's the internet." Be careful who you cross on here, however... I know that you are located in Michigan, in Livonia. Recall that I have very good friends in Livonia that are car freaks. I am sure they'd love to know that you may have a good product, potentially they could come see you and get a tuner or something and then pass, by 'word of mouth' to their car clubs about you.

I doubt it, not with your type of customer service.

All in all, with my experience from Pete, I bought a tuner, put it in my car, didn't like it, re-flashed the tuner for my Dad's truck for his birthday and got a tune from Bob. I actually had the tune from Bob first. I wanted to keep my options open, as I said... I want whats best for me and my vehicle, not friendly advertising.

Pete, I wish you luck on your customer base man -- I really hope that you wisen up around here. You think that just because it's the same people posting, that others aren't reading this?

I am on five different car club forums. It should be more but I can't keep up to be worthwhile on them. But believe me, when they are talking about tuners and programs, I will NOT be recommending you.

I am finished posting with this thread, but will continue reading for entertainment purposes only. Anything that Pete posts on here, anyone can take for themselves. If you want to know if something he said is true, or has any backing at all -- feel free to PM me. I will not be posting here again.

 

[pete]

[quote author=confusion link=topic=53700.msg880332#msg880332 date=1155312093]
Hey DICK, who in the hell gave you permission to print my full name you sack of shit. And let me explain to all the fellow readers looking at this, that note called a Personal Message (PM) is just that and was sent long before Bob at Bama Chips started getting into the picture. So when your the only kid on the block (at that time) and a service is available, one would tend to keep the provider on a friendly basis. And ever since Bob has come on line YOU have taken every opportunity to slip in your childish useless opinion, but yet we've seen no proof to back up you claims. You are a pathetic little man. And don't think while hiding behind your keyboard that you can actually get away with trying to slame me. Your track record speaks for itself, your walking a fine line between right and wrong and you've just stepped over it.

And yes Pete, you were bashing Adam. You remind me of some little kid trying to get back at the school bully while your hiding behind the teachers skirt.

Don't fuck with me boy!  Just back away and stick to what you know best , Nothing !
[/quote]

Sorry about printing your full name, I edited it. That wasn't intentional. That wasn't from a PM either it was from an e-mail you sent to me. 

I posted dyno results. They aren't claims.

 

[confusion]

Thanks Adam, and your right about this being enough, no more.

 

[revspeed702]

So after all that? What kind of gains can we expect for a v6 on regular gas:: probably just with that K/N filter.. Please correct me if I'am wrong but the #'s I have seen are for the 2.3? Thank You all!

 

[Bob Jusnes]

Right now only Pete has dyno numbers, we havent had a chance to get one on the dyno yet, but will soon!

 

[hwm3]

I don't know why tuner discussions seem to always turn out like this, but they do. The bickering back and forth does no good for anyone, and surely doesn't help anyone's image.

In my opinion, the tuners themselves should post before and after DYNO or TRACK results, A/F ratios recorded, and explain what other changes not related to engine power are made. For example, changed shift points, or shift firmness. The best tune isn't necessarily the one with the biggest power gains, but the one with the best overall performance, while maintaining reliability. This is NOT something that can be measured by the seat of the pants, let instumented testing tell the tale.

This is just my opinion. You may agree or disagree, but nobody wins when these threads get out of hand like this one has.

 

[Cross Bolt]

To bad we weren’t all in the same town, we could all have a cup of coffee and bench race. 8)

 

[swoop1156]

[quote author=hwm3 link=topic=53700.msg881990#msg881990 date=1155399625]
I don't know why tuner discussions seem to always turn out like this, but they do. The bickering back and forth does no good for anyone, and surely doesn't help anyone's image.

In my opinion, the tuners themselves should post before and after DYNO or TRACK results, A/F ratios recorded, and explain what other changes not related to engine power are made. For example, changed shift points, or shift firmness. The best tune isn't necessarily the one with the biggest power gains, but the one with the best overall performance, while maintaining reliability. This is NOT something that can be measured by the seat of the pants, let instumented testing tell the tale.

This is just my opinion. You may agree or disagree, but nobody wins when these threads get out of hand like this one has.
[/quote]
I agree, and I have hooked my laptop to my car, but I can not get the results to load. I can see live, but I cannot record. I must be stupid, lol. Ill keep trying!

 

[Metallicat]

Swoop - what are you trying to record with your laptop? I could also hook mine up, but am not sure if it will provide any useful information.