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So Wednesday I am having the transmission fluid flushed in my 2007 Ford Fusion SEL V6 with 91,000 miles. It has never been changed and I decided I need the car to last me for awhile. So I asked my dealer to drop the pan to clean the magnet and the pan itself then flush it. He didn't necessarily say no to dropping the pan but he said they don't recommend it. He said something about replacing the gasket or messing with the seals. He also said about putting in a cleaning agent into the flush machine should clean the pan and magnet. I brought the point up that I am very nervous because I have seen that transmissions have failed after having a flush with high mileage. My car isn't high mileage but it certainly isn't low. So he said he wouldn't put in the cleaning agent. So should I insist on having the pan dropped, let him pump the cleaner in the transmission and change the fluid, or just let him replace the ATF only? And it's not the high pressure machine either. I specifically asked if it's through the cooler lines and he said it is and it isn't high pressure. Also, does the Fusion have a removable transmission filter? Thanks guys!
Also, this post was originally posted in the wrong thread. I am not sure how to delete the old post. I realized it was in the wrong area so I moved it here.
 

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The transmision in your car asuming its FWD is the Aisin AWTF-80 SC. Acrording to Wikipedia it is also used in these cars:


Alfa Romeo 159 - 1.9 JTDm; 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Alfa Romeo Brera - 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Alfa Romeo Spider - 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Cadillac BLS - 1.9 D; 1.9 D (TST);
Chevrolet Cruze (US market; 2.0L Turbo Diesel)
Citroën C4
Citroën C5
Citroën C6
Citroën DS4
Citroën DS5
Fiat Croma - 1.9 JTDm; 2.4 JTDm;
Ford Five Hundred
Ford Fusion
Ford Mondeo
Hyundai Veracruz
Jaguar X-type 2.2d
Lancia Delta (2008) - 1.8 DI Turbo
Land Rover Freelander 2
Land Rover Range Rover Evoque
Lincoln Zephyr
Lincoln MKZ
Mazda 6
Mazda CX-7
Mazda CX-9
Mazda MPV
Mercury Milan
Mercury Montego
Opel/Vauxhall Astra
Opel/Vauxhall Vectra/Signum
Opel/Vauxhall Zafira
Opel/Vauxhall Insignia
Peugeot 307
Peugeot 308
Peugeot 407
Peugeot 408
Peugeot 508
Peugeot 607
Peugeot 3008
Peugeot 5008
Renault Espace
Renault Vel Satis
Saab 9-3 - 1.9 TiD; 1.9 TTiD;
Saab 9-3 Aero 2.8L
Volvo C30 D3 and D4
Volvo S40 D3 and D4
Volvo V50 D3 and D4
Volvo S60 2.4D, D5, D5 AWD, T6 AWD and R AWD 06-07; 08-
Volvo V60 D3; D5; D5 AWD; T6 AWD;
Volvo S80 T6 AWD, V8 AWD, D5 and D5 AWD
Volvo V70 T6 AWD, 2.4D, D5, D5 AWD and R AWD 06-07; 08-
Volvo XC60
Volvo XC70
Volvo XC90 3.2 and V8 AWD

I did a quick search and Volvo will not service that transmission but Ford does list a filter for it.

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/P...&search=true&year=2007&make=Ford&model=Fusion

I also found this:

http://www.dieselfiltersonline.com/...nternal_transmission_filter_bc3z_7a098_b.html

Not sure if thats an aftermarket part but damn the ford part is exspensive! Personaly if it was me and I was worried I would yank the whole transmission take it down to be cleaned and gone through correctly. But I understand not everyone has the ability or facilitiies to do that.

Volvo says the filter and fluid are liftetime which I think is total crap. Volvo also will not even sell you axles seals for it so if you need to service it at all you replace the whole transmission.

If I was looking to pay someone to do the job I would deffinitly have them do the filter and fluid. I'm sorry but I have never seen a gear fluid that could go the lifetime of a vehicle.
 

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The transmision in your car asuming its FWD is the Aisin AWTF-80 SC. Acrording to Wikipedia it is also used in these cars:


Alfa Romeo 159 - 1.9 JTDm; 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Alfa Romeo Brera - 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Alfa Romeo Spider - 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Cadillac BLS - 1.9 D; 1.9 D (TST);
Chevrolet Cruze (US market; 2.0L Turbo Diesel)
Citroën C4
Citroën C5
Citroën C6
Citroën DS4
Citroën DS5
Fiat Croma - 1.9 JTDm; 2.4 JTDm;
Ford Five Hundred
Ford Fusion
Ford Mondeo
Hyundai Veracruz
Jaguar X-type 2.2d
Lancia Delta (2008) - 1.8 DI Turbo
Land Rover Freelander 2
Land Rover Range Rover Evoque
Lincoln Zephyr
Lincoln MKZ
Mazda 6
Mazda CX-7
Mazda CX-9
Mazda MPV
Mercury Milan
Mercury Montego
Opel/Vauxhall Astra
Opel/Vauxhall Vectra/Signum
Opel/Vauxhall Zafira
Opel/Vauxhall Insignia
Peugeot 307
Peugeot 308
Peugeot 407
Peugeot 408
Peugeot 508
Peugeot 607
Peugeot 3008
Peugeot 5008
Renault Espace
Renault Vel Satis
Saab 9-3 - 1.9 TiD; 1.9 TTiD;
Saab 9-3 Aero 2.8L
Volvo C30 D3 and D4
Volvo S40 D3 and D4
Volvo V50 D3 and D4
Volvo S60 2.4D, D5, D5 AWD, T6 AWD and R AWD 06-07; 08-
Volvo V60 D3; D5; D5 AWD; T6 AWD;
Volvo S80 T6 AWD, V8 AWD, D5 and D5 AWD
Volvo V70 T6 AWD, 2.4D, D5, D5 AWD and R AWD 06-07; 08-
Volvo XC60
Volvo XC70
Volvo XC90 3.2 and V8 AWD

I did a quick search and Volvo will not service that transmission but Ford does list a filter for it.

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/P...&search=true&year=2007&make=Ford&model=Fusion

I also found this:

http://www.dieselfiltersonline.com/...nternal_transmission_filter_bc3z_7a098_b.html

Not sure if thats an aftermarket part but damn the ford part is exspensive! Personaly if it was me and I was worried I would yank the whole transmission take it down to be cleaned and gone through correctly. But I understand not everyone has the ability or facilitiies to do that.

Volvo says the filter and fluid are liftetime which I think is total crap. Volvo also will not even sell you axles seals for it so if you need to service it at all you replace the whole transmission.

If I was looking to pay someone to do the job I would deffinitly have them do the filter and fluid. I'm sorry but I have never seen a gear fluid that could go the lifetime of a vehicle.
The thing is, the transmission runs just fine. There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's just a precaution and something that needs to be done. I have no reason to believe that it will fail but I seemed to have scared myself into thinking that something may happen when very well it may not. The Ford dealer didn't seem too concerned when I said it was never serviced the entire life of the car. I'll just ask him to drop the pan and clean it.
 

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The transmision in your car asuming its FWD is the Aisin AWTF-80 SC. Acrording to Wikipedia it is also used in these cars:


Alfa Romeo 159 - 1.9 JTDm; 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Alfa Romeo Brera - 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Alfa Romeo Spider - 2.4 JTDm; 3.2 JTS
Cadillac BLS - 1.9 D; 1.9 D (TST);
Chevrolet Cruze (US market; 2.0L Turbo Diesel)
Citroën C4
Citroën C5
Citroën C6
Citroën DS4
Citroën DS5
Fiat Croma - 1.9 JTDm; 2.4 JTDm;
Ford Five Hundred
Ford Fusion
Ford Mondeo
Hyundai Veracruz
Jaguar X-type 2.2d
Lancia Delta (2008) - 1.8 DI Turbo
Land Rover Freelander 2
Land Rover Range Rover Evoque
Lincoln Zephyr
Lincoln MKZ
Mazda 6
Mazda CX-7
Mazda CX-9
Mazda MPV
Mercury Milan
Mercury Montego
Opel/Vauxhall Astra
Opel/Vauxhall Vectra/Signum
Opel/Vauxhall Zafira
Opel/Vauxhall Insignia
Peugeot 307
Peugeot 308
Peugeot 407
Peugeot 408
Peugeot 508
Peugeot 607
Peugeot 3008
Peugeot 5008
Renault Espace
Renault Vel Satis
Saab 9-3 - 1.9 TiD; 1.9 TTiD;
Saab 9-3 Aero 2.8L
Volvo C30 D3 and D4
Volvo S40 D3 and D4
Volvo V50 D3 and D4
Volvo S60 2.4D, D5, D5 AWD, T6 AWD and R AWD 06-07; 08-
Volvo V60 D3; D5; D5 AWD; T6 AWD;
Volvo S80 T6 AWD, V8 AWD, D5 and D5 AWD
Volvo V70 T6 AWD, 2.4D, D5, D5 AWD and R AWD 06-07; 08-
Volvo XC60
Volvo XC70
Volvo XC90 3.2 and V8 AWD

I did a quick search and Volvo will not service that transmission but Ford does list a filter for it.

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/P...&search=true&year=2007&make=Ford&model=Fusion

I also found this:

http://www.dieselfiltersonline.com/...nternal_transmission_filter_bc3z_7a098_b.html

Not sure if thats an aftermarket part but damn the ford part is exspensive! Personaly if it was me and I was worried I would yank the whole transmission take it down to be cleaned and gone through correctly. But I understand not everyone has the ability or facilitiies to do that.

Volvo says the filter and fluid are liftetime which I think is total crap. Volvo also will not even sell you axles seals for it so if you need to service it at all you replace the whole transmission.

If I was looking to pay someone to do the job I would deffinitly have them do the filter and fluid. I'm sorry but I have never seen a gear fluid that could go the lifetime of a vehicle.
Also, you listed the wrong transmission on the fordparts.com website. The link takes me to the FNR5 5-speed. I have the Aisin 6-Speed.
 

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Ford isn't the only company that has this "lifetime" of fluid etc. It's only going to be the lifetime of the transmission. So if the transmission craps itself you're pretty much up the creek without a paddle, in your case, a transmission. I plan on having my 06' Fusion for the long haul so I choose to drain and fill the transmission fluid at 120,000 kms/74,500 miles. For the mileage the vehicle doesn't have very much. When it comes to time 8 years seems to be a lot when companies want it changed at 5 years/100,000. I used what's recommended by Ford so I am not too concerned about the transmission.
 

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Hi brendenp. If you read your Owners Maintenance Guide, you will see that the fluid is not "lifetime". Ford recommends the fluid be changed at 150,000 miles. I would think a nice compromise might be 100,000 miles for those with issues or worries. That's when I may change mine. There is no serviceable filter. If a proper flush is performed, the filter is flushed. If you don't have or can't find your Maintenance Guide, you can download the PDF version here - http://www.flmowner.com/servlet/Con...oLogin=Owner/Page/OwnerGuidePage&ord=91325628 All of the other Ford recommended services are also contained in that Maintenance Guide.

Good luck.
 

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Note that the factory says nothing about a "flush" but recommends that the fluid be changed.

Dealer shouldn't have an issue dropping the pan to change the fluid unless their techs are gorillas who use an impact wrench to install the bolts for the trans pan.
 

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DUDE!
I know this response is coming too late but:
The only reason to change the filter and drop the pan would be for transmission overhaul.
The filter is only accessible by taking the tranny apart and this filter has the construction of a scratch pad (3m scratch pad) it does not have anything else for filtering purposes.
and if it has a magnet to catch the small metal particles.
I could not tell you where it is.
And also I am pretty sure you have the AW F21 transmission if that is the case then you can buy the Toyota T-IV tranny oil since it is exactly the same and I usually get the quart bottle for under 6 USD.
With that being said I make it a point to change all the fluids at least once every year.
With the only exception of motor oil which I change twice a year.
I also run an additional tranny oil cooler along with a magnefine filter on the return line.
 

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And I hope that if it is indeed the AW F-21 tranny you have in your car, that you don't let the dealer screw you over by telling you that they changed the filter.
Please keep in mind that in order to change this filter you have to take this tranny apart. Please don't be fooled.
And by the way you can do the flush through the cooler lines yourself it is easily done.if I can do it, then trust me anyone can do it too!
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If you want your tranny to have a real filter. Then I believe your only option is to install an inline filter.
Any questions I'll be glad to help you for next time.
 

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And I hope that if it is indeed the AW F-21 tranny you have in your car, that you don't let the dealer screw you over by telling you that they changed the filter.
Please keep in mind that in order to change this filter you have to take this tranny apart. Please don't be fooled.
And by the way you can do the flush through the cooler lines yourself it is easily done.if I can do it, then trust me anyone can do it too!
PS:
If you want your tranny to have a real filter. Then I believe your only option is to install an inline filter.
Any questions I'll be glad to help you for next time.
I had the transmission flushed today. Just from driving it off the lot, I can tell a HUGE difference. I had this rubberband effect going on when turning before the flush. Now it's gone. The transmission also shifts much smoother.
 

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And I hope that if it is indeed the AW F-21 tranny you have in your car, that you don't let the dealer screw you over by telling you that they changed the filter.
Please keep in mind that in order to change this filter you have to take this tranny apart. Please don't be fooled.
And by the way you can do the flush through the cooler lines yourself it is easily done.if I can do it, then trust me anyone can do it too!
PS:
If you want your tranny to have a real filter. Then I believe your only option is to install an inline filter.
Any questions I'll be glad to help you for next time.
Also, all they did was flush the fluid and performed a multipoint inspection. They didn't try offering any other crap which makes me trust my dealer more and more.
 

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I have a 2012 sport with 33250 miles and i plan doing the flush or entire fluid change at 50k. I aint the type get the most out of fluids. doesnt hurt to pay $160 maybe every 2 1/2 yrs to 3 yrs to get that dont. it not going to make me go broke. I plan at 35 k , just normal oil change, change front and rear brake pads, flush and put new coolant along with new power steering fluid, drains and refills.
 

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I dont know if your year car has a transmission filter BUT instead of flushing i would change out the filter IF it has one where the pan is if you drop it. New filter and empty that old fluid to see how much came out and put that same amount back in new. You should be fine> I did that with a 95 and 99 escort, 2001 f150 and a 2008 explorer all my families cars and all said shifting was much better.
 

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Just as an FYI for anybody who might want to know this

Book:

Workshop Manual
2007 Fusion, Milan, MKZ

Page:

307-01B-134

Content:

"⚠ CAUTION: Do not use water-based cleaners or mineral spirits to clean or flush the torque converter or transmission damage will occur. Use only clean automatic transmission fluid designated for the transmission and converter being serviced."
 
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