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I had a '06 SE V-6 Auto.bought new and put 27,000 miles on it in less than a year.
I needed more room for one reason, but I was also getting to know the service writers too well and spending to much time at the dealer getting things fixed like.....

Squeeky/squealing drivers side window when rolling up...took the dealer 3 trips to figure out it was a bad window regulator, changed it and no more squeeking BUT....a few thousand miles ago the passenger side window started squeeking too.

Lumbar support popped in the seat.

Faded spots on the black dash

6 speed tranny shifts WAY too much, just a little gas makes it downshift one sometimes two gears, hunts a lot, I figured a Tranny that worked that much may not last. (I tried the TSB on that and high idle but even after 3 re-flashes by the dealer it did no good.)
Tranny was starting to slip and with only a 3/36 warranty I wanted something more.
I enjoyed the way the FUSION handled but the V-6 needs more torque.

Tilt steering joint was getting loose

I traded it for a KIA Sorento SUV......5/60 bumper to bumper and 10/100 powertrain (I drive about 35K a year 260hp V-6, it moves pretty good.

Hope you guys have better luck with your FUSIONS than I did.
I may buy another some day, maybe I just had a bad one.
 

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Sorry to hear about your decision to trade in your Fusion. But, I understand why. And your unfortunate experience really isn't the norm from what I've experienced personally with my Milan. Better luck with your Kia. :)
 

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Good luck with your Kia. I haven't seen many Fusions/Milan come through our shop. I have changed a couple of inside door handles that's about it.
 

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SoCalFusion, or should that be SoCalKia,

Sorry to learn you have left the Fusion ranks but hope you will be totally satisfied with your new Kia. How much did they give you for the Fusion as a trade-in?

Our only problem so far -- purchased Dec. 4, 2006, and only have 2,700 miles on it -- has been horrific gas mileage: 13 mpg in city driving for the first 2,000 miles. The mileage has recently improved to 14.8 city but that nothing to get excited about.
 

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[quote author=NaplesBill link=topic=75472.msg1357804#msg1357804 date=1177336419]
Good luck with the Kia. I have to say that your experience with the Fusion was not typical.
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Thanks Naples......well as far as my experience not being typical I have to disagree....there's a TSB about the popped lumbar and the high idle and tranny shifting too much/too little so it must be fairly common to have a TSB about it.
I did like the car......I'll just let Ford work out the bugs before I buy another.....as they used to say in Detroit where I'm from....."Never buy a "First year model car".
 

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That's all bunk .............you got a lemon. It happens more often than people think. I had a yellow....yes yellow Escort in 1983. I bought it new and before it had 20,000 miles on it I had replaced engine, transmission, paint job, wiring harness, air conditioning, radiator and gas tank. Luckily everything was pretty much under warranty. I had to force a couple issue and make them call Detroit on some things (paint job comes to mind). When the warranty ran out, I ran out and bought a Chevy....I was scared to death of Ford. 24 years later I thought I would give them another try, 06 Fusion 10,000 miles no problems to date.(Knock on wood).
 

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[quote author=SoCalFusion link=topic=75472.msg1360497#msg1360497 date=1177402664]
[quote author=NaplesBill link=topic=75472.msg1357804#msg1357804 date=1177336419]
Good luck with the Kia. I have to say that your experience with the Fusion was not typical.
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Thanks Naples......well as far as my experience not being typical I have to disagree....there's a TSB about the popped lumbar and the high idle and tranny shifting too much/too little so it must be fairly common to have a TSB about it.
I did like the car......I'll just let Ford work out the bugs before I buy another.....as they used to say in Detroit where I'm from....."Never buy a "First year model car".
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There is plenty of data available that would suggest your experience was not typical. As far as first year models I usually agree, but the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr have proven to be exceptionally well built and reliable. Especially considering it's a first year model. I'm sorry about your experience but it is in no way a representation of the majority.
 

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[quote author=NaplesBill link=topic=75472.msg1360585#msg1360585 date=1177418319]
[quote author=SoCalFusion link=topic=75472.msg1360497#msg1360497 date=1177402664]
[quote author=NaplesBill link=topic=75472.msg1357804#msg1357804 date=1177336419]
Good luck with the Kia. I have to say that your experience with the Fusion was not typical.
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Thanks Naples......well as far as my experience not being typical I have to disagree....there's a TSB about the popped lumbar and the high idle and tranny shifting too much/too little so it must be fairly common to have a TSB about it.
I did like the car......I'll just let Ford work out the bugs before I buy another.....as they used to say in Detroit where I'm from....."Never buy a "First year model car".
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There is plenty of data available that would suggest your experience was not typical. As far as first year models I usually agree, but the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr have proven to be exceptionally well built and reliable. Especially considering it's a first year model. I'm sorry about your experience but it is in no way a representation of the majority.
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Yeah, you could be right Bill.....don't get me wrong, I LIKED THE FUSION, the looks and the handeling, power ect... were great! (could use a little more torque in the V6) It was the little things that got to me, warped plastic pieces of trim, seat fabric that is a lint magnet and has to be cleaned constantly (I shouldn't have to buy leather)ect....I'll probably buy another one in the future, maybe a manual (they need to make the manual available with the V-6!!)
BTW.....I never said it was a representation of the majority, just probably more common than it should be.
That ONE TSB covers about 6 DIFFERENT problems, Tranny, Ideling ect......the FUSION has a LOT of TSB's.
 

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[quote author=fusionowner link=topic=75472.msg1360700#msg1360700 date=1177422031]
I agree with what Naples Bill said. Also, if you made the move to KIA to have a better quality vehicle you really should have checked some data sources first.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2006133

I hope that KIA warranty includes a free rental because it is likely to be in the shop quite a bit!
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Yeah but whats the reliability of the SORENTO itself?? It could be there BEST vehicle, it's the top of the line vehicle in their line-up and to be honest the build quality of the plastic interior parts is better than the FUSION (at least the one I had)
These reviews look pretty good at this site Fusionowner http://www.edmunds.com/kia/sorento/2007/consumerreview.html

Amazing what people pay for those LAND ROVERS and they're at the bottom!!
If we want to drive American looks like we should be driving Mercury or Buick or Caddilac according to JD Powers.
 

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[quote author=SoCalFusion link=topic=75472.msg1361095#msg1361095 date=1177434329]
[quote author=fusionowner link=topic=75472.msg1360700#msg1360700 date=1177422031]
I agree with what Naples Bill said. Also, if you made the move to KIA to have a better quality vehicle you really should have checked some data sources first.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2006133

I hope that KIA warranty includes a free rental because it is likely to be in the shop quite a bit!
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Yeah but whats the reliability of the SORENTO itself?? It could be there BEST vehicle, it's the top of the line vehicle in their line-up and to be honest the build quality of the plastic interior parts is better than the FUSION (at least the one I had)
These reviews look pretty good at this site Fusionowner http://www.edmunds.com/kia/sorento/2007/consumerreview.html

Amazing what people pay for those LAND ROVERS and they're at the bottom!!
If we want to drive American looks like we should be driving Mercury or Buick or Caddilac according to JD Powers.
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According to Consumer Reports the reliability of the Sorento is average and the customer satisfaction level is below average.

CR says 0-60 is 9.5 sec...ouch!!! Handling is average...ouch! Fuel economy is poor...ouch!

I don't mention these things to be a jerk, I'm just saying don't expect to come to a Ford Fusion forum and talk about how Fusions are poor quality and then NOT expect to have people address the issues that exist with your KIA. Especially when CR says the V6 Fusion is going to be more reliable than the V6 Accord or V6 Camry!!!

People like their Land Rovers for reasons other than reliability...trust me.

Oh, and it isn't really "according to JD Power" it is according to the tens of thousands of vehicle owners they surveyed about actual problems with their vehicles. KIA has a long, long, long way to go and that is why they offer their warranty. By the way, does it cover the rental?

Edmunds is highly biased toward Asian makes, you should know that! Try posting a pro-Ford message in their forums and your ID is banned from the forum. There's even a thread here about that specific phenomenon.
 

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TSB's are overrated, they really don't mean much of anything accept for a mechanic to follow a paper trail for diagnostics. The Fusion really doesn't have that many. Go look up a 1998 Chevy Monte carlo for instance or 95 Ford Mustang. If you printed all the TSB's generated from each of those cars, you couldn't fit them in the trunk. It is what it is!
 

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NHTSA is strict on TSBs for domestic vehicles, thats why there are more. They are also strict on TGW ratings, and the Fusion just dominates in that category. Good luck to you.
 

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CR says 0-60 is 9.5 sec...ouch!!! Handling is average...ouch! Fuel economy is poor...ouch!

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Sorry but your 0-60 times are wrong....you must have been looking at the '05 and older Sorento.
The '06/'07 Sorento has a 3.8 262hp V-6 and does 0-60 in about 6.7 seconds. http://www.autos.com/autos/sport utility/midsize/2007/kia/sorento/base The previous Sorento had a 192hp 3.3 V-6

Fuel economy is actually not bad for a mid-size SUV, about 23 mpg, again I think you were looking at the old Sorento.
Handeling seems prety good to me too...You forgot to mention price...the average Midsize SUV is about 30K this one is about 19K with some nice standard features.
As far as talking about problems with the Fusion I'm not the first one to post about problems, and like I said I LIKED the car overall, I've had a lot of Fords, (about 6 different Mustangs for one) and Escorts and Focus and Explorers and F-150's and Rangers ect......

AS far as rental cars go for warranty issues I didn't have one for the Fusion either but I insisted on one and got one when I needed it, I'll do the same with the Sorento if needed.
 

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[quote author=Chris06Fusion link=topic=75472.msg1362075#msg1362075 date=1177457314]
Sorry to see ya go. Enjoy your Kia.
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Oh you guys can't get rid of me that easy, I'll pop in from time to time if you don't mind......if just to let Fusionowner know how reliable my KIA is! :chuckles:

If I buy a Fusion again I'll probably get the SEL version.
 

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!. According to Consumer Reports the reliability of the Sorento is average and the customer satisfaction level is below average.

2. I don't mention these things to be a jerk, I'm just saying don't expect to come to a Ford Fusion forum and talk about how Fusions are poor quality and then NOT expect to have people address the issues that exist with your KIA. Especially when CR says the V6 Fusion is going to be more reliable than the V6 Accord or V6 Camry!!!

3. People like their Land Rovers for reasons other than reliability...trust me.

4. Oh, and it isn't really "according to JD Power" it is according to the tens of thousands of vehicle owners they surveyed about actual problems with their vehicles. KIA has a long, long, long way to go and that is why they offer their warranty. By the way, does it cover the rental?

5. Edmunds is highly biased toward Asian makes, you should know that! Try posting a pro-Ford message in their forums and your ID is banned from the forum. There's even a thread here about that specific phenomenon.
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1. So far I've personally spoken to about 10 people who have Sorento's and they all love their vehicle, one guy had 180,00 on his with the original engine and tranny and multiple people I spoke with had over 100,000 miles.

2.No problem, I'm a big boy.
So CR says the Fusion will be more reliable than a V6 Accord or Camry?? Just how do they know that? Do they have a crystal ball? The Fusion is a TOTALLY new vehicle, except for the 3.0 Duratec V-6 (which has BTW had trouble in the past with warping plasic intake manifolds) Sorry bud, but I'd take a V6 ACCORD over a V-6 FUSION in a heartbeat, (and lets be honest here, most peope would) HONDA has been making them for YEARS and they are almost bullitproof, period.

3. Uh huh, probably the same mindset that buy Harleys becasue they're Harleys, Posers big time.

4. When I said "according to JD Powers" I meant what their survey showed, not what their personal opinion was.

5. I should know that Edmunds is "highly biased" towards Asian makes?? Why is that, do I work for them? I give you a site that shows positive comments aboit the KIA and you just say it's biased, give me a break LOL!!

Look man, I was born in Detroit, lived there for 25 years, my whole family and most friends worked in the Auto plants for years, I know all about American Auto quality and it wasn't much to brag about for the most part.
It HAS gotten better over the years, MOSTLY because the "Asian" makes came over to this country, you should thank the "Asian" manufacturers for making your FORD a better quality vehicle. Weather you want to admit it or not the Asians FORCED the U.S. manufacturers to make higher quality vehicles becasue they were taking away $$$$

If it wasn't for the Japanese we'd still be driving cars that we THOUGHT were great if they went 80,000 miles! It used to be very common for American cars to need valve jobs for instance, at less than 100,000 miles, not so anymore.
Once again I liked my FUSION, and I may have gotten a bad one, but I'll wait a few years before I buy another....just in case.
 

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Enough is enough already(not aimed toward anyone specific). It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. You bought your Kia and you have to like it, nobody else. Just drive and be happy.
 
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