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Re: Official Gas Mileage Therad

[quote author=Chris06Fusion link=topic=66304.msg1137124#msg1137124 date=1168181470]
Ok... Here is the official MPG thread. The place to complain or praise your mileage. We see posts about this in sections where other things are being discussed, so here is your section. Any posts in threads where they don't belong will be DELETED OR MERGED TO THIS THREAD effective 01/07/2007.
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Chris,
Well ain't this special! Are you going to transfer all of my rants about my 13 mpg in-city or do I have to start all over again? LOL. Just kidding.

A word(s) of caution. This is what the bible (Fusion Owner's Manual) has to say about mileage calculations on Page 250:

"We do not recommend taking fuel economy measurements during the first 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of driving (engine break-in period). You will get a more accurate measurement after 2,000-3,000 miles (3,000 km-5,000 km)."

Actually I think it is a FoMoCo conspiracy. They figure people will just forget about the mileage deal by the time they get to 3,000 miles. LOL.

But seriously folks, I hope every Fusion AWD owner is getting the EPA-estimated 19 mpg for in-city driving because if their cars can do it, then mine should too. It's more ammo for me when I take mine back to the dealer (his suggestion) at 1,500 miles to have it "put on the computer."

For those who don't give a toot about mileage I would just like to point out that the difference between 13 mpg in-city and the EPA estimate of 19 mpg in-city is an extra $539.24 a year, based on 10,000 miles of travel with gas at $2.22 per gallon.
 

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Re: Official Gas Mileage Therad

[quote author=swoop1156 link=topic=66304.msg1137520#msg1137520 date=1168201169]
In my SEL V6 [2006 model] I get a constant 21-22 in the city when taking it easy. 18-19 when I'm driving it hard for the week, and on the expressway at 70-80 I'll get around 28-29.
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Swoop,
That's fantastic.
 

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Good thinking on your part Chris ... as always. :) The poll should prove to be very interesting to watch as well. You get a gold star and get to go to the head of the class. :lol:
 

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Good post Springer. That is really great mileage. Of course, you have the I4 2.3-liter engine and I am trying to find comparisons of people with the V6, automatic tranny and AWD. I, too, keep a little book. First fill-up was 15, next two were 13 and my most recent was Friday, Jan. 5, when I got 17 but that included a 90-mile trip (38.9 percent highway travel at 60 mph) out of 244.5 miles.

I am really disappointed at this horrific mileage. We didn't expect to get 30 mpg, but did -- and do -- expect to get something closer to the EPA-estimated 19 mpg in-city, 26 mpg highway.

I am really curious as to what other people are getting, especially AWD owners. Your figures are outstanding though. Congratulations. Keep up the good work. Those are happy miles indeed.

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Re: Official Gas Mileage Therad

[quote author=otaku link=topic=66304.msg1138840#msg1138840 date=1168279495]
Well the EPA is reworking their system to make it more accurate-it hasn't been updated in decades so this is long overdo. Estimates are going to drop from 12-30% it'll be interesting to see what the new fusions get from the EPA.
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Otaku,
When is that suppose to happen? Weeks? Months? Sometime this year?
Boz
 

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[quote author=1sttimeMercury link=topic=66304.msg1139150#msg1139150 date=1168290196]
I'm averaging 27 mpg in my Milan, and I mostly do city driving, though to and from work there is some highway time involved.
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That's pretty terrific, but I see from your profile that it is an I4. Our V6 SEL AWD is only giving 13 mpg in city so far (713 miles, 1 month). I sure hope this improves dramatically in the next thousand miles or so. The EPA estimate for this power train is 19 mpg city and that's what I expect, or close to it. Boz
 

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[quote author=NaplesBill link=topic=66304.msg1140418#msg1140418 date=1168355409]
Well, I'm at 2000 miles now and I'm getting 21.5 with almost exclusively city driving.

Boz, I'm starting to think your AWD is somehow dragging on the engine. It just seems ridiculous that your mileage is so far off from everyone else. Maybe the AWD is not disengaging properly and running as a "full-time" system?
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Bill,

I think it's pretty ridiculous, too. Especially when you are getting 21.5 and others are getting the EPA's 19 mpg or slightly better.

How would I know if the AWD was engaging all of the time? Does an idiot light come on? I've not noticed any changes in the way it drives or handles since we bought it Dec. 4, 2006. Are you suppose to notice when the AWD kicks in?

According to the poll at the top of this thread, 12 percent of Fusion, Milan MKZ (Zephyr) owners are getting "horrible" gas mileage so I am definitely not alone. Perhaps the worse thing about the 13 mpg is that this is winter mileage. I am really going to be shocked when it comes time to run the air conditioner. Oh joy!

I have started the documentation process by writing a nice (gentle) letter to the manager of our dealer's service department. Haven't received a reply yet. I can't emphasize enough that we are very conservative drivers, don't flog this thing at all. (Maybe we should???) Boz
 

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[quote author=urnews link=topic=66304.msg1139310#msg1139310 date=1168296928]
The EPA estimate for this power train is 19 mpg city and that's what I expect, or close to it. Boz
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If the EPA est. for the AWD V6 is 19, you could realistically expect 15-16 in the city. Especially if you flog it. You'll never get 19 if all you do is city driving since the EPA estimates are always unrealistically high.

FWIW, I have a V6 FWD Milan, do mostly (80%) highway driving at or above 75-80 mph, and average about 26 mpg. Car is well broken in at 19,000+ miles. I'd get better mileage if a stayed closer to the speed limit. I really wish the V6 had come with a stick to get another 3-4 mpg.
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The fine print below the official EPA mileage, 19 city, 26 highway, says the city "range" is from 16 to 22 mpg for this vehicle. Yes, I realize the estimates are skewed on the high side, but no one on this forum or the other one I participate in seem to be getting 13 mph. This number is way out of line, in my book.

The difference, extra cost, between 13 mpg and 19 mpg is $539.24 a year based on 10,000 miles driven with gas at $2.22 per gallon. I've got a lot better uses for that additional $539 than dumping it into a Fusion gas tank.

Our last fill-up, Jan. 5, required 14.275 gallons to go 244.5 miles, 90 of which, 38.9 percent, were for a trip at 55-60 mpg. The computer result was 17.6 the long division result was 17.13 mpg. That leads me to believe we are still getting about 13 mpg city.

Even with the 90-mile trip, "The Guzzler" still did not reach the EPA city average of 19. I, of course, do not know what the problem is -- my wife and I are both very conservative drivers and our terrain is as flat as a fritter -- but something about this car is definitely wacko even given the fact that it is not fully broken in, only 713 miles, just over 1 month old.

Yes, I am hyper about this deplorable situation, but only because the numbers are so terribly far off the norm. I have telephoned the dealer (bring it in at 1,500 miles and we will "put it on the computer") and sent a gentle e-mail just to begin the documentation process.

I will not keep any car, no matter how "nice," for very long that averages 13 mpg in mild driving, no air conditioner running. As previously stated, I didn't expect this thing to get 30 mpg. But this configuration should do a whole lot better than 13 mpg, too. Boz
 

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[quote author=colfusion link=topic=66304.msg1141345#msg1141345 date=1168383539]
I have a 2006 Fusion SEL V6 FWD

I typically get 20-22 in the city and 31-33 on the highway. I am really impressed with the highway mileage.
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Colfusion,
You have ample reason to be satisfied, happy. That is a good report card. I am seriously hoping that our deplorable experience so far will improve dramatically. I just have this terrible feeling in my gut that it is not going to. That concerns me more that the results of the first 713 miles; that things are not going to improve much. Boz, pessimistic in Salisbury (Smallsberry) Md.
 

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[quote author=Nr9 link=topic=66304.msg1143775#msg1143775 date=1168490643]
FWD V6
15.8MPG

is there something wrong with my car?
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Probably the same thing wrong with it that is "wrong" with our 2007 V6 SEL AWD: It is getting 13 mpg for the first 800 or so miles. People on the forum and the owner's manual notes that the mileage won't be accurate until the engine is broken in about 2,000-3,000 miles. How many miles do you have on yours? Boz
 

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Jan. 18, 2007, update. Our 2007 V6 SEL AWD just finished traveling 197.9 miles and required 13.842 gallons of 87 octane to have a full tank again. Computer readout: 15.5 mpg; Long division: 14.3 mpg; a difference of 1.2 mpg with the computer being more optimistic than real life.

It was all city driving, stop and go, since Jan. 5. Price was $2.05.9 per gallon at Wawa in Salisbury, MD.

"The Guzzler" now has 911.9 total miles on it.

The latest mileage results are not much improved over the 13 mpg we had been getting on previous fill-ups. Obviously this car has a lot of breaking in to do or is in need of a PCM tune-up. Boz
 

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[quote author=Cueball link=topic=66304.msg1156518#msg1156518 date=1169157420]
Well make sure you post your disappointing mileage update in every other thread on this board so we can read it in every single thread we open. :(
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Excellent idea Cueball, or maybe not. LOL.

I am, however, sorry to report in this Official Gas Mileage Thread that the mpg numbers for our 2007 AWD SEL are not improving.

It took 14.328 gallons to fill it up on Jan. 28 after traveling 280.0 miles, 172.5 miles of that (62 percent) for a trip at a constant 55-60 mph. The computer mileage was 20.0 and the long division calculation was 19.54 mpg, which would be great if all the miles had been in-city driving. Alas! It's apparent that "The Guzzler" is still only delivering about 13 mpg in the city.

The car now has 1,191.9 miles on the odometer. I seriously doubt if the gas mileage is going to magically improve to the EPA rating of 19 city, 26 highway within the next 1,000 or 2,000 miles, when it will supposedly be broken in. I would be one happy camper if it did; I just don't believe it will.

The overwhelming majority of Fusion, Milan and MKZ owners on this forum and another one report mileage numbers that meet or exceed the EPA estimate. That's all I want, too, for the car to be average instead of sub par.

My wife and I have very few complaints about the car otherwise. It is difficult to tolerate this gas mileage situation when you know there is a $539.24 difference between 13 mpg and 19 mpg in one year, based on 10,000 miles driven with gasoline at $2.22 per gallon.

Each fill-up leaves me with the feeling that I'm being taken for a ride. It's a bad, helpless feeling, one that makes me sad and mad at the same time. The car has dozens of positive aspects but this one negative is overshadowing them, is downright depressing. Boz
 

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[quote author=Chris06Fusion link=topic=66304.msg1175168#msg1175168 date=1170109078]

You are nearing the 1,500 mile mark. 8) Isn't this when ford will take a look at it?

I was thinking about something the other day. Does anyone here think that maybe the horrible gas mileage may be caused by the AWD system engaged all the time? I just find it hard to believe that the added weight and gearing would cause so many MPG problems. :dunno:
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Chris,
Yeah, it goes into the shop around 1,500 when they "will put it on the computer," so the service manager told me. We have a 400-mile trip coming up this weekend. Maybe that will improve things, but I doubt it.

How can a driver tell when, or if, the AWD is engaged during normal driving?

Also, what happened to the emoticons on the forum?
 

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[quote author=otaku link=topic=66304.msg1175478#msg1175478 date=1170120419]
Well the AWD system probably adds 300+ pounds or so thats pretty significant and then consider passenger weight. EPA estimates are very inaccurate due to the way they achieve the MPG. They do everything perfectly and controlled. The best I've seen is 16mpg and as low as 10 which is discouraging but I have very little mileage (just about 400miles) so I'm waiting a bit longer. 20mpg seems reasonable for the cars top end considering the EPA says it tops at 26 they're usually at least 3mpg off or more. I'm still waiting to hit 20. None of the three cars my family owns get above 20 though (2 V8s and this v6)
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Otaku,

Your AWD experience seems to mirror mine as far as mileage goes, though our figure has never been as low as your 10 mpg yet. Knock on wood.

We have been spoiled by our 2000 Focus station wagon when it comes to mileage. The 2.0-liter Zetec I4 (almost 93,000 miles) averages 26 mpg no matter what. Even our 1997 Thunderbird (85,000 miles) gets around 16 mpg in town. It has a 3.8-liter V6.

Supposedly the EPA is going to change its calculation method to something more realistic beginning with the 2008 model year.
 

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[quote author=HEVeng link=topic=66304.msg1179270#msg1179270 date=1170275970]
2006 SEL I-4 manual.

22.5 mpg for this tank so far, 280 miles. 10,600 total on odo. Ambient temps at 15-25 deg F.

It was up around 25.5-26 in the summer.
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Stop already! You're making me cry. :)
 

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[quote author=HEVeng link=topic=66304.msg1181052#msg1181052 date=1170356371]
I filled the tank yesterday.

Computer read 22.7 mpg for the tank. My calculation was 20.8 mpg.
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That must be mostly in-city driving, huh? Boz
 

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Mixed bag results obtained on a Friday-Saturday highway trip. Computer indicated 26.5 miles per gallon for the 265 miles of highway travel at 65-80 mph which is fine since the EPA highway estimate for a V6 SEL AWD is 26 mpg. Computer indicated 24.2 mpg for 93 miles following fill-up, which is still reasonable.

However, this tankful (Jan. 28-Feb. 3) also included 46.2 miles of stop-and-go city driving prior to the weekend trip. This was only 14.8 percent of the total. The long division method (14.156 gallons used divided into 311.2 total miles driven) yielded an overall result of 21.98 mpg.

Translation and conclusion: The really wretched in-city mileage, 13 mpg, is apparently still with us after 1,596 miles. Car goes into the dealer Wednesday to be put on the computer. Perhaps it is still going through its break-in phase.
 

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[quote author=hwm3 link=topic=66304.msg1182756#msg1182756 date=1170428915]
I'm still getting 23mpg with a 50/50 mix of city/highway driving.
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V6? AWD?
 

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[quote author=captainhook link=topic=66304.msg1191684#msg1191684 date=1170832989]
Ok, I started to track my mpg again and I am quite surprised.

Date Miles Driven Gallons Used MPG Price per Gallon Total Cost
2/6/2007 336 14.847 22.63 $2.169 $32.20

Also the computer has been displaying 25 mpg.

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CaptainHook,

When you said "surprised" does that mean a pleasant surprise or an unpleasant one? V6 or I4? In city miles, highway driving or both? If I had to venture a guess it would be that this is city driving with a 2.3-liter 4 cylinder and 5-speed manual tranny. Boz
 
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