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What's with the MPG, my V6 SEL averages 23MPG, while 90% of my miles are highway.(is it break in period)?
I did reset when I got on thr H'way & received 31MPG for that trip (H'way only).
MPH sits around 29, when 90% is at 70+, how could this be???
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umm,,, lol i always thought that was average mpg, umm yea well still was getting good til empty, so 470 miles , and my tank fills up at 15 so um, 15 gallons, 470 miles = 31.3 mpg i guess i remember checking it on the other one tho and it was around 37.8 or something mpg but i til just now have noticed that says MPH i thought was average MPG.
My I4 fluctuates alot. This weekend it said 16.9 mpg :shock: But I've had it say 41+++ before too. I also see that the MPH always stays low no matter if I drive 100 miles at 70 MPH or not it stays around 25 to 27MPH avg. I still love the car though.
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I've been through 3 tankfuls now, at 1150 miles, and fill up calculated MPG's have been 19.5, 19.8, 20.2 pretty even city/hwy mix. I don't drive aggressive. One thing I've noticed as well. The computer has been consistently .4 to .5 mpg low in it's estimate.

Some advice for those getting "poor" mileage. One, are you figuring your mileage via the fill-up methed or the computer. Second, have the computer re-flashed. I've seen that fix mileage/response problems on other vehicles.

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Canyon85,
You didn't mention what drivetrain combination you have. We are only averaging a horrible 13 for the first 500 miles of in-city driving with a V6 SEL AWD. We aren't looking for sympathy, just answers -- from anyone. We have already notified the dealer that this is unacceptable but will wait and see if things improve after the first 2000 miles, when we will do our first oil change.
Boz, aka U R NEWS
I calculated my mileage today. The display showed 19.1 and I calculated it at 19.2. This is on an '06 Zephyr and my third tank of gas. This is ALL city driving as well. It seems inline with what is advertised.
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umm,,, lol i always thought that was average mpg, umm yea well still was getting good til empty, so 470 miles , and my tank fills up at 15 so um, 15 gallons, 470 miles = 31.3 mpg i guess i remember checking it on the other one tho and it was around 37.8 or something mpg but i til just now have noticed that says MPH i thought was average MPG.
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Hi BlackedOutFusion. Here is how numbers can be confusing. Your figures are incorrect. Here is why. Your trip computer is telling you that you get 470 miles to a tankful. The FWD Fusion has a 17.5 gallon tank. You are saying you put in about 15 gallons per tankful. Therefore you are dividing 470 by 15 and saying you are getting 31.3 mpg.
The idea that needs to be understood is that the distance to empty (when you fill up) reading means distance to empty from a full tankful (which again, is 17.5 gallons FWD, and 16.5 gsllons AWD) The key here is that the FWD Fusion has a 17.5 gallon tank. So a tankful of gas is 17.5 gallons. So if you divide 470 miles by 17.5 gallons, you get 26.85 mpg. A pretty significant difference.
The easiest way to calculate your mileage is to fill up and reset your trip meter. When you fill up again you divide the number of gallons it took to fill up into the mileage on the trip meter. This will give you a valid calculation of miles driven and gallons of gas used.
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The easiest way to calculate your mileage is to fill up and reset your trip meter. When you fill up again you divide the number of gallons it took to fill up into the mileage on the trip meter. This will give you a valid calculation of miles driven and gallons of gas used.
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I second what NaplesBill said :D. Unfortunately, the problem is, it is not the easiest way, and too many are looking for the easy (trip computer) answer. In fact it has been stated so many times, it should be common sense, so I neglected to add that to my post. :bash:
I would add to that by saying it is the only accurate way to figure your mpg. And you must do it over the course of several tankfuls to get an accurate reading, and it will vary according to outside temperature, type of fuel (oxygenated or non), traffic, HVAC usage, load factor in the car, driving style, etc, etc, etc.
A good idea is to keep one of those small notebooks in your car (5 inches X 2.5 inches or so). Each time you fill up, note the miles driven, and gallons needed to fill. Then do the math, and you will get a long term idea of your actual mileage. I keep one in my glove compartment, marked with three columns: Miles, Gallons and MPG. I always fill my cars, never just $5 or $10. Could actually tell you the individual mileage for every tankful of gas I've put in my cars since 1981 (my first car bought new).
Use the trip computer (Trip A, or Trip B, to track your mileage per tankful), and reset it when you fill up. Once you do it for a while, it will become second nature. It also gives you a great idea of how your car is running over the long haul. If your mileage starts to fall, you know immediately, and can address the problem.
It also helps if you have this sort of documentation when you go to the dealer for MPG concerns. Much more persuasive than just walking in and saying "I'm only getting XXX MPG, and I don't think my car is running right."
Hope this helps, and good luck! :D
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LOL! That is a bit more than I would do. I just pay attention to the miles I'm getting per tank to keep on top of my vehicles mpg. I don't write anything down though. I mean it should average about the same during summer and the same during winter. There really shouldn't be a big change between tanks.
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I calculated my mileage today. The display showed 19.1 and I calculated it at 19.2. This is on an '06 Zephyr and my third tank of gas. This is ALL city driving as well. It seems inline with what is advertised.
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NaplesBill,
Lucky you. Your results are our goal. It just goes to show that it is possible. We don't drive like old maids but we don't drive like hot rodders either. Mostly conservative. I refuse to accept 13 mpg but will give the car a chance to break in before I start to get nasty about the mileage situation. As bbf2530 suggested I am going to start documenting everything for the day when I will have to do battle with the service department. Your results are heartening, illustrate that the EPA estimate should be right on, assuming good driving habits, proper tire pressure, etc., etc.
Boz, aka U R NEWS
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LOL! That is a bit more than I would do. I just pay attention to the miles I'm getting per tank to keep on top of my vehicles mpg. I don't write anything down though. I mean it should average about the same during summer and the same during winter. There really shouldn't be a big change between tanks.
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Hi again NaplesBill! That is exactly the point :D. Your mileage should not change much, if there are no other variables. But if you track your mileage a little closer, sometimes you get an early warning when there is some sort of problem. And if you think about it, it's really not much work. Sure taken over a 24 year period it seems like a lot. But in reality, while your car is filling up, what else do you have to do for the 4-5 minutes it takes :klavergreg:? So it takes 10 seconds to write down the mileage, reset the trip computer, and write down how many gallons you just bought. Sure it may not be for everyone, and I respect that, but it can be helpful for many of us (especially those with mpg concerns).
Good luck with your new car!
I hear you man. My grandfather did that religiously. I just never think about it.
My car which is an 07 SEL V6 Fwd is averaging in city mileage about 20.3 mpg. The car has 1600mi on it. Of course I check the computer but also do the math to verify the computer.
the computer so far has been very close. About 1 mpg higher.
I'm up to 15000 miles on my 2006 I4 and i'm topping out at an amazing 18.3 mpg since I bought it. Fantastic for a 4 cylinder. Is anyone else having this problem?
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I'm up to 15000 miles on my 2006 I4 and i'm topping out at an amazing 18.3 mpg since I bought it. Fantastic for a 4 cylinder. Is anyone else having this problem?
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That's way too far out of the norm.
tshappley,

How do you drive? Many drivers that don't think they're leadsfoots really are. I'd guess my 4 cyl would get the same city mileage that a 4 cyl Accord or Camry would get.
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I have been tracking this very carefully. I have the four cyl/five speed stick. Around town, short trips, winter driving will net 20 mpg.
summer time it jumps up 3-4 mpg.

Combined driving nets a consistent 26-with the highway driving pulling it up.

Straight highway, as calculated by the computer will do 30-34 mpg. When Ive checked it by the actual fill up method- full tank to full tank, i've gotten 31(typical) to a high of 32.5.

anyone says there getting better, I don't believe it. The epa rating is 31, and it seems to be right on.
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I tend to agree with WCF, my results have been similar.

There are SO MANY variables that go into MPG, all you can do is estimate an average, and be realistic about the method you use. Forget the computer. Forget the EPA averages (for the most part), they are, I understand, derived from a formula rather than an actual road test.
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[quote author=WCF link=topic=34339.msg1064001#msg1064001 date=1163379082]
I have been tracking this very carefully. I have the four cyl/five speed stick. Around town, short trips, winter driving will net 20 mpg.
summer time it jumps up 3-4 mpg.

Combined driving nets a consistent 26-with the highway driving pulling it up.

Straight highway, as calculated by the computer will do 30-34 mpg. When Ive checked it by the actual fill up method- full tank to full tank, i've gotten 31(typical) to a high of 32.5.

anyone says there getting better, I don't believe it. The epa rating is 31, and it seems to be right on.
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I tend to agree with WCF, my results have been similar.

There are SO MANY variables that go into MPG, all you can do is estimate an average, and be realistic about the method you use. Forget the computer. Forget the EPA averages (for the most part), they are, I understand, derived from a formula rather than an actual road test.
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We would be delighted with the revised EPA rating (17 mpg city) for our 2007 SEL AWD Fusion because our car will do no better than 14.8 mpg city. Granted, 95 percent of our driving is in the city, stop and go, short hops of five miles or less. We are very conservative, gentle drivers. The terrain is table-top flat and the climate is moderate. The tire pressure is correct, too.

Like I said, 17 mpg would be a godsend. For the first 2,000 miles the car only achieved 13 mpg. Ouch! Only in the last 1,000 miles has it edged upward to 14.8. The horrific gas mileage is the only serious gripe we have so far.
Certainly not going to criticize anyone out there, as I have not walked in your moccasins. But when you go to purchase a car you gotta be realistic about what you want, why you want it that way, and what your expectations are. All other factors being equal, 6 cylinders will almost always burn more fuel than 4 cylinders, and 4WD will almost always burn more fuel than 2WD. I say "almost" as there are no absolutes and somebody out there will come up with a rare example of the opposite - I'm not interested in extremes.

It's simple physics, larger displacement, the added drive train drag of 4WD, and city driving always burn more fuel. There are only so many BTUs in a gallon of fuel, and no car manufacturer has yet figured out how to stretch MPG without sacrificing SOMETHING along the way (please don't mention the hybrids, they have their own drawbacks). The 3.0 Duratec is an excellent engine (I have one with 197K in an old Sable wagon), and in the 3800+ lb. wagon it makes sense, but is it really needed in a 3100 lb. Milan? If you think so, then you gotta live with the low MPG. If not, and you have not bought yet, get the 4-banger.
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Agreed! A major expense requires what we all did in school - homework!
I researched cars including particularly the fusion for a year before buying. I'm still in the same boat as boz but according to my salesman things really pickup once you hit 12,000 which he recently did in his new truck and saw a nice MPG boost
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