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Fusion going AWD for 2007!!
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I am sure you are correct. I really wish they would offer AWD for the 6 cyl with a CVT andd offer the 5 speed manual with a 4 cyl turbo like the mazdaspeed6...
Trev
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In CONCEPS (program dealer use for ordering cars) it lists SE V6 AWD and SEL V6 AWD, and both show as 6 speeds so apparently it won't use the CVT like the 500. Anyone know how the Haldex AWD system on the Five Hundred compares to what's is used on the MazdaSpeed 6?
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I wish I did not have to say this but the CVT does not beat the 6 speed transmission in the fuel economy war. We were told that this transmission was going to clean house in the economy department but not. The best I can find out is that the CVT has whats called micro slip and it just does not hook up like the 6 speed with (lock up).
GM was going to bring out there CVT but the last article I saw, they backed off.
I believe the CVT has the advantage on a slippery surface.
GM was going to bring out there CVT but the last article I saw, they backed off.
I believe the CVT has the advantage on a slippery surface.
I'd never thought about the CVT smoothness being an advantage on slick roads, but that makes sense. If anyone has the chance to drive a 500/Montego/Freestyle AWD on slick roads, I highly recomend it, they have incredible traction compared to SUV's, 4x4 trucks, etc. I'd been giving all the credit to the Haldex AWD, but now I think the CVT with it plays a big factor in this.
Yes, the CVT does loose fuel economy to the 6 speed (500 CVT 20/27 MPG, 6 speed 21/29MPG), but it is better than a 4 speed. A Taurus 4 speed 24V V6 gets the same mileage as a 500 CVT (front wheel drive) despite the 500 being a heavier car. I don't look for GM to do much with CVT's since they haven't had much luck with the one's in the Saturns (now discontinued). I was told they tried to cut corners on the CVT belt and that caused their problems. Start looking for more CVT's though, Chrysler's going to start makeing lots of them. The new Caliber (Neon replacement) will have CVT or manual transmisson.
Yes, the CVT does loose fuel economy to the 6 speed (500 CVT 20/27 MPG, 6 speed 21/29MPG), but it is better than a 4 speed. A Taurus 4 speed 24V V6 gets the same mileage as a 500 CVT (front wheel drive) despite the 500 being a heavier car. I don't look for GM to do much with CVT's since they haven't had much luck with the one's in the Saturns (now discontinued). I was told they tried to cut corners on the CVT belt and that caused their problems. Start looking for more CVT's though, Chrysler's going to start makeing lots of them. The new Caliber (Neon replacement) will have CVT or manual transmisson.
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Is it just me, does'nt AWD-use more gas? Is this really a wise move for Ford ro be the industry leader of?
FWD suits me fine!!! 8)
FWD suits me fine!!! 8)
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If you run it in AWD, it will use more fuel. I think these new AWD vehicles use the computer to kick the other set of wheels in,when the vehicle slips. I know my daughters 2002 Ford Explorer kicks the front wheels in if the SUV slips on a bad surface. Highway MPG is 19.5 to 20.3 with a 4.6 v8. I have a friend who has the same Explorer in a 2 wheel drive version and his MPG is no better, so the MPG does not seem to be any different as long as it is not in 4 wheel drive, all the time.
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[quote author=xcr440sp link=topic=40216.msg585124#msg585124 date=1140234721]
In CONCEPS (program dealer use for ordering cars) it lists SE V6 AWD and SEL V6 AWD, and both show as 6 speeds so apparently it won't use the CVT like the 500. Anyone know how the Haldex AWD system on the Five Hundred compares to what's is used on the MazdaSpeed 6?
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Honestly, not sure. But I would put money on the Haldex over the Mazda AWD system.
In CONCEPS (program dealer use for ordering cars) it lists SE V6 AWD and SEL V6 AWD, and both show as 6 speeds so apparently it won't use the CVT like the 500. Anyone know how the Haldex AWD system on the Five Hundred compares to what's is used on the MazdaSpeed 6?
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Honestly, not sure. But I would put money on the Haldex over the Mazda AWD system.
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[quote author=xcr440sp link=topic=40216.msg585124#msg585124 date=1140234721]
In CONCEPS (program dealer use for ordering cars) it lists SE V6 AWD and SEL V6 AWD, and both show as 6 speeds so apparently it won't use the CVT like the 500. Anyone know how the Haldex AWD system on the Five Hundred compares to what's is used on the MazdaSpeed 6?
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It is what is used in the MS6.
In CONCEPS (program dealer use for ordering cars) it lists SE V6 AWD and SEL V6 AWD, and both show as 6 speeds so apparently it won't use the CVT like the 500. Anyone know how the Haldex AWD system on the Five Hundred compares to what's is used on the MazdaSpeed 6?
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It is what is used in the MS6.
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[quote author=Cross Bolt link=topic=40216.msg585914#msg585914 date=1140316634]
If you run it in AWD, it will use more fuel. I think these new AWD vehicles use the computer to kick the other set of wheels in,when the vehicle slips. I know my daughters 2002 Ford Explorer kicks the front wheels in if the SUV slips on a bad surface. Highway MPG is 19.5 to 20.3 with a 4.6 v8. I have a friend who has the same Explorer in a 2 wheel drive version and his MPG is no better, so the MPG does not seem to be any different as long as it is not in 4 wheel drive, all the time.
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That is what I have been saying as well. Use the 2.3 DISI turbo/AWD combo from the mazdaspeed6 and the new CX-7 from mazda in the fusion...if the choice is between 4 cyl turbo awd and v6 awd, i know I will go turbo...but there is no confirmation of the fusion getting that powerplant combo...
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If you run it in AWD, it will use more fuel. I think these new AWD vehicles use the computer to kick the other set of wheels in,when the vehicle slips. I know my daughters 2002 Ford Explorer kicks the front wheels in if the SUV slips on a bad surface. Highway MPG is 19.5 to 20.3 with a 4.6 v8. I have a friend who has the same Explorer in a 2 wheel drive version and his MPG is no better, so the MPG does not seem to be any different as long as it is not in 4 wheel drive, all the time.
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That is what I have been saying as well. Use the 2.3 DISI turbo/AWD combo from the mazdaspeed6 and the new CX-7 from mazda in the fusion...if the choice is between 4 cyl turbo awd and v6 awd, i know I will go turbo...but there is no confirmation of the fusion getting that powerplant combo...
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The Haldex system is a mechanical AWD system which has a possible ratio of 100:0 (F:R) to 50:50, with a default of 100:0. Quite different than most of what people think fo when they hear AWD (Old-style AWD/4WD systems are between 50:50 and 0:100, and many have a full or near-full range).
The Haldex system has NO ability to distribute power side to side.
The Haldex system has NO ability to distribute power side to side.
At least on the 500/Freestyle the Haldex requires traction control which does the side to side power transmission. When the cars were introduced, Ford had a training event where they had a ramp that only allowed 1 wheel at a time to have traction (alternated which wheel the whole way up). They tried running and AWD Explorer up it and it didn't make it any distance. The AWD 500 drove right up with no problems.
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http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=22606
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What else will be different for the 2007 model? I'm really close to getting an SEL,should I wait till July and get the 07 will it be that much better? Airbags don't really matter,to me I don't care if it adds side airbags or not,and the 06 has plenty of power for me.I can't see alot of of changes for the 07. What do you guys think?
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http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=22606
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What else will be different for the 2007 model? I'm really close to getting an SEL,should I wait till July and get the 07 will it be that much better? Airbags don't really matter,to me I don't care if it adds side airbags or not,and the 06 has plenty of power for me.I can't see alot of of changes for the 07. What do you guys think?
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Why not wait for the side airbags? If it does not cost your more, why not get the benifit of the insurance discount? Not to mention the added safety.
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I think your right captionhook I will wait tfor the 07,my Dad has talked me into it. I had didn't know it would save me money on insurance. Will Ford give us a 3.5 litte in 07r,and some more horses? Does anyone know how much the supercharged fusion will be? Any pictures or specs yet? MY dealers is giving a July 17th release date? I can't wait
FusionRocket
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AWD will use more gas for several reasons. Ford may make other improvements that might keep the gas milage the same between the 06 FWD, and the 07 AWD, but I'll lay money its less than the 07 FWD. Just go look at every other car that's offered in FWD/AWD and you'll see.
If you need AWD then its a great idea to get it.
Those of us that live south of the snow line are better off getting FWD.
If you need AWD then its a great idea to get it.
Those of us that live south of the snow line are better off getting FWD.
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I can't wait for the 07's I'm saving for my down payment now
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