[Phill_69]

Hi everyone,

Had my first oil change for my 06 Fusion at 5K kms. Also asked them to do the reflash of the PCM for the fast idle.

I read online here that the 5W20 oil Ford uses is a semi synthetic. I was advised it is just regular dino oil, not a blend or full.
Also the reflash really made a difference in the rpms at startup.
It was around 1700 or so and lasted several minutes in the cold mornings here in Ontario before going down to around 1000.
Now it is around 1300 or so for less than a minute and then goes to 1000 until it warms up and goes to normal.
The bonus is it seems to be better on acceleration.
Not sure what changed with the reflash but it was worth the effort to ask for it. They had to check the TSB since they acted as if I was the first to ask for it.
Merry Christmas everyone.

Paul

 

[biffster]

[quote author=Phill_69 link=topic=65220.msg1118566#msg1118566 date=1166908482]
I read online here that the 5W20 oil Ford uses is a semi synthetic. I was advised it is just regular dino oil, not a blend or full.
[/quote]


I don't know who you were talking to but there is a hint on the container.

 

[Phill_69]

That is definitely not the same container used in the dealer here in Canada. The plastic 1 litre containers were black in colour and definitely did not say synthetic.
It did say it had the SAE label on it and was SM.
Anyone else have any ideas on this.
I was surprised and disappointed it was not synthetic.

 

[biffster]

Well that is interesting. A quick google led me to this site http://www.motorcraft.com/products.do?item=15 that may offer some explanation but it tends to not be completely definitive in it's information. I'll go look a little more and maybe others will fill in the blanks.

A couple things I read here were that Ford makes three types of 5W 30.

SAE 5W-20 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil
SAE 5W-30 Super Premium Motor Oil
SAE 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil


The "Super Premium Motor Oil" is the "regular" oil.

In the descriptions lower down a couple things give hints:

First, in the description under the Syn blend:

Most Ford Motor Company 2001 model year engines have been designed to use this new oil and Ford Motor Company now recommends it for many older vehicles as well.

and in the description for the Super Premium oil:

5W-30 is recommended to service any gasoline-powered passenger car or light duty truck engine prior to 2001 model year.


From those two exerpts, it would seem that the regular oik is only recommended for pre 2001 Fords?

AHA! Just checking page 245 of the owners manual! It DOES SAY that they recommend Syn blend for US and Super premium (regular) oil for CANADA! Wow. Why is that?

I guess that's why you were told you were getting the non-synthetic oil. That's what they are supposed to do!

Who can explan that?

 

[swoop1156]

[quote author=biffster link=topic=65220.msg1119081#msg1119081 date=1166968979]
Well that is interesting. A quick google led me to this site http://www.motorcraft.com/products.do?item=15 that may offer some explanation but it tends to not be completely definitive in it's information. I'll go look a little more and maybe others will fill in the blanks.

A couple things I read here were that Ford makes three types of 5W 30.

SAE 5W-20 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil
SAE 5W-30 Super Premium Motor Oil
SAE 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil


The "Super Premium Motor Oil" is the "regular" oil.

In the descriptions lower down a couple things give hints:

First, in the description under the Syn blend:

Most Ford Motor Company 2001 model year engines have been designed to use this new oil and Ford Motor Company now recommends it for many older vehicles as well.

and in the description for the Super Premium oil:

5W-30 is recommended to service any gasoline-powered passenger car or light duty truck engine prior to 2001 model year.


From those two exerpts, it would seem that the regular oik is only recommended for pre 2001 Fords?

AHA! Just checking page 245 of the owners manual! It DOES SAY that they recommend Syn blend for US and Super premium (regular) oil for CANADA! Wow. Why is that?

I guess that's why you were told you were getting the non-synthetic oil. That's what they are supposed to do!

Who can explan that?



[/quote]5W-20 is in your list of one of the three 5W-30's.

 

[cos]

Phill_69,

I'm pretty sure all name-brand 5W20 oils are semi-syn. They'd really have to be made with a semi-syn base stock and have an excellent additive package to meet the "Ford WSS-M2C930-A" spec.

 

[SoCalFusion]

Semi-syn is bullshit oil anyway. Just a way for the oil companies to make a couple more bucks a quart off the oil.
There is NO guidlines as to "how much" synthetic oil is IN Semi-syn oil.
It could be 40% synthetic OR it could be 2% synthetic!!
If you want the real protection of synthetic just buy FULL synthetic oil, then there's no doubts.