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Ive used the company before on a friend of mines 03 2.3 Ranger. Haven't look to see if the mani. bolt pattern is the same between the ranger 2.3 and the Fusion but I would expect it to be.

The site : http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/index2.html

They offer manifolds for the engine with minor mods left that any machine shop should be able to finish. This could be a very simple solution to the Fusion 2.3 turbo setup. Obviously it is not a complete kit and would take alot of planning and other parts, but its a start. Thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
 

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I would wait for an SVT variant. The stock 2.3 manual is not geared even close to what you would want with the tq and hp of a turbo. You would at least have to upgrade the tranny and gearing to accomodate the torque increase. Or look into a MazdaSpeed3. Or just get a Jusnes tune and be happy with it for now. I am waiting to see what Ford comes out with.
 

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Ya, this isnt something I would do to my own Fusion. Im happy with it currently and love the gas mileage ect. Just something for others to look into.
 

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A turbo setup for the 2.3L would be a HUGE waste of time and money. You'll spend thousands of dollars, and in the end be lucky to match the performance of a stock V6 car.
 

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A very simple complete kit could be made 3K give or take, which is very competitive with anything you will ever find from a big name manufacture. A efficient setup you could achieve v6 results without issue. This is not something I personally want to do, but for those seeking bigger power and have some extra money to play with, its not exactly a bad idea. I think it would be interesting to see what could come of it, and you would be one of a very few with a turbo fusion. Once again, just some thoughts.
 

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Even if you could get the engine to put out V6 levels of power for $3k, you still need to upgrade the tranny to handle that extra power.

Also, with the 4-cyl you only get a 5-speed tranny, while V6 cars get the 6-speed.
 

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I would bet that the stock 5spd manual could hang on to a added 60-80 ft lbs. with the HP to match. Clutch on the other hand might be a diff. story in 4th gear under a load tho.
 

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[quote author=hwm3 link=topic=67012.msg1152201#msg1152201 date=1168964394]
Even if you could get the engine to put out V6 levels of power for $3k, you still need to upgrade the tranny to handle that extra power.

Also, with the 4-cyl you only get a 5-speed tranny, while V6 cars get the 6-speed.


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The MTX-75 in the Fusion is a seasoned manual transmission and very robust. There are plenty of options to improve both the gearing and the durability. Also, the gearing is just as important(or more important) than the number of speeds.
 

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[quote author=NaplesBill link=topic=67012.msg1152231#msg1152231 date=1168965250]
Also, the gearing is just as important(or more important) than the number of speeds.
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Exactly my point. The 6-speed in the V6 cars is already matched to that engine. The 5-speed is setup for the N/A 4-cyl, and would have to be upgraded to match a turbo cars powerband. These upgrades will just add to the cost, making it even less practical.

You'd come out much better by simply trading the 4-cyl Fusion for a Mazdaspeed6. Even if you managed to get Mazdaspeed6 HP and TQ numbers from the Fusions I4, you wouldn't be able to put that power to the ground as well as the Speed6 does.
 

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Ok...

Example 1. 93-98 Supra TT 6spd. Its trans is "matched"? for 320-330hp the way Toyota geared it? There are countless 700+ hp 1000+ hp ect. supra's with the stock trans and gearing. Nothing was changed when they added 800 HP
Example 2. Typical Honda 1.8L or 2.0 whatever, people add turbo / nitrous all the time without changing gearing.

Same principal with most LS1 cars... Modular motor cars. Just becuase you add HP & TQ dosent mean you need to change the way the car is geared. I don't think anyone going the turbo Fusion route will be trying to match the HP TQ of the spd3 or 6 for that matter. Altho im not saying its not possible with proper tuning ect. I just brought this information in this topic forward to show options for thoes seeking extra power. The motor and trans would be fine with a very conservative setup and would make it a very fun car to drive.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I think a turbo Fusion would be a fun car to drive, and wish anyone that goes that route lots of luck. I just don't think it's gonna be a cost effective solution to getting more speed from the Fusion.
 

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There are plenty of Ford Foci with the stock gearing and 2.3 Turbo setups that have zero drivability issues because of transmission gearing. You will run short of gearing faster but I've not heard of that causing any major issues with a basic turbo setup. I think this is just a case of over-analyzing. I do think it would be better to regear for maximum utilization of the changes but it would be killer either way. Also, anyone who would seriously consider a project like this should be willing to go as far as it takes to get there. Just buying a car is not the same and that type of enthusiast would have no business attempting something like this.
 

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Just some food for thought...

Header = $300 (JGS)
BOV = $170 (JGS)
Turbo = $600 (Td05H)
FMIC = $100 (Ebay)
IC Plumbing = $~150 Est. (Random exhaust shop)
Random Accessory's = $~350 (Hoses, Clamps, Cuplers)
Exhaust Tubing = $~200 (Random exhaust shop)
Custom Tune = $~500? (Est. Obviously it would take a few hours on the dyno)
Extra Costs = $~1000 (Fab work, gauges, anything eles you might want)

Current total close to $3,400 Obviously everything is subject to change with this and that. None the less a very budget oriented setup that could see some significant gains.
 

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I agree Jaysen...and looking around at some turbo setups on the mazda 3's (both 2.0 and 2.3) I would say a 2.3 turbo would be similar in hp #'s to the v6 and probably 20% more torque. So the 4 banger 5 speed would probably eat up the v6's. Not to mention being able to control the launch with the clutch. Food for thought I guess. That being said, if one really wants a fast car then buy a Stang GT !!!

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I see a Turbo on the Fusion, if you are to race it on the track and invest money and time to it. But if it is a daily driver, I see a waste of money and broken parts here and there.

Doing a Turbo on stock internals are not always the best way to go. Specially if its your daily driver. For the money you are going to spend on this mod, on the manifold, down pipe, all your pipes, intercooler, turbo, injectors, wideband tune and a quick tranny upgrade. you might as well go to your Mazda parts department and get the 2.3 turbo engine and the tranny.
 

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[quote author=Jaysen link=topic=67012.msg1150662#msg1150662 date=1168886281]
Ive used the company before on a friend of mines 03 2.3 Ranger. Haven't look to see if the mani. bolt pattern is the same between the ranger 2.3 and the Fusion but I would expect it to be.



[/quote] It's the same motor just as the the mazda6 but even the mazda turbo had to be modified to fit the fusion engine bay. Let's just hope that when Draxas begins selling their bolt on turbo for the 2.3 that Ford does like they did with roush turbo for the 4.6 liter. It's the only bolt on turbo that does not void the factory warranty. You just have to have a Ford dealer do the install
 

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[quote author=furious1auto link=topic=67012.msg1154056#msg1154056 date=1169050284]
It's the same motor just as the the mazda6 but even the mazda turbo had to be modified to fit the fusion engine bay. Let's just hope that when Draxas begins selling their bolt on turbo for the 2.3 that Ford does like they did with roush turbo for the 4.6 liter. It's the only bolt on turbo that does not void the factory warranty. You just have to have a Ford dealer do the install
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The basis for the Mazdaspeed6 engine is the same 2.3L found in the Fusion, but they did strengthen the internals to handle the boost. You can't simply add the Mazdaspeed6 turbo to the stock 2.3L Fusion engine and expect high HP numbers AND long life.

Also, there is NO Draxas turbo kit, and there never will be. They scrapped the Fusion project a couple months ago, and sold off all the parts.

BTW, Roush sells a supercharger kit for the 4.6L, not a turbo kit.
 

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A stock fusion can handle boost. The question is how much can it take and maitain longjevity. I guess the ball is in Fords court. They know that there is a large market for aftermarket turbo's. They can either make it easy or hard for tunners to modify their cars. either way their sales record will reflect their descision!
 

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[quote author=hwm3 link=topic=67012.msg1154118#msg1154118 date=1169051805]
[quote author=furious1auto link=topic=67012.msg1154056#msg1154056 date=1169050284]


BTW, Roush sells a supercharger kit for the 4.6L, not a turbo kit.
[/quote] This is true, I miss spoke.
 
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