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I like it for the fact that they are going with a new look. Its bold and my take a while to catch on (if ever) but at least its not the same ole design over and over.
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[quote author=Seasonalskier link=topic=200983.msg4149434#msg4149434 date=1321561274]
but at least its not the same ole design over and over.
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Every Lincoln save the Navigator has the same ugly grill and profile. I really want to like the new Lincolns, but I just can't see any scenario where they're worth the coin over the competition.
but at least its not the same ole design over and over.
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Every Lincoln save the Navigator has the same ugly grill and profile. I really want to like the new Lincolns, but I just can't see any scenario where they're worth the coin over the competition.
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Timely.....
About sums up my feelings:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/11/whats-wrong-with-this-picture-lord-love-a-lincoln-edition/
About sums up my feelings:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/11/whats-wrong-with-this-picture-lord-love-a-lincoln-edition/
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Obviously, I'm a huge fan. I love the interior the most (hence the passion because to me, interior is the most important part of any vehicle).
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Fats, you miss that big square nose ahy.... 
The Lincoln grill and nose says, "Classy". Def not "sporty". It will draw the creative ideas from us all to assist our future FFC members. We'll have these things looking hot. Josh, put in your order, we'll start planning your mods...
The Lincoln grill and nose says, "Classy". Def not "sporty". It will draw the creative ideas from us all to assist our future FFC members. We'll have these things looking hot. Josh, put in your order, we'll start planning your mods...
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Looks just like the last gen.. I wonder how heavy it is? :shock:
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[quote author=biggee72 link=topic=200983.msg4149606#msg4149606 date=1321586117]
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id get a Miata over that.
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FTFY
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id get a Miata over that.
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FTFY
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Probably one of the most sexy pictures I have seen of that car so far. But honestly while Ford would like to dream and think that Lincoln could compete with an Audi or stuff like that it can't. So you can't really compare the two. I do believe that in a while Lincoln will be up to those pars but they started WAY late in the game. Lincoln went for far too long without innovation and they are just now getting on that. So while it may not be all they say it is, they are at least trying to get it there. Either way though, that new front looks awesome to me.
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[quote author=biggee72 link=topic=200983.msg4149606#msg4149606 date=1321586117]
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id still get a Lincoln over a Miata any day though.
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FTFY
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Fixed your slight misspell for ya.
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[quote author=biggee72 link=topic=200983.msg4149606#msg4149606 date=1321586117]
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id still get a Lincoln over a Miata any day though.
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FTFY
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Fixed your slight misspell for ya.
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[quote author=biggee72 link=topic=200983.msg4149606#msg4149606 date=1321586117]
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id get a Miata over that.
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FTFY
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Id look retarded in a miata. Im 6'4"
[quote author=biggee72 link=topic=200983.msg4149606#msg4149606 date=1321586117]
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id get a Miata over that.
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FTFY
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Id look retarded in a miata. Im 6'4"
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[quote author=acedeuce802 link=topic=200983.msg4149617#msg4149617 date=1321587130]
[quote author=biggee72 link=topic=200983.msg4149606#msg4149606 date=1321586117]
Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id get a Miata over that.
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Id look retarded in a miata. Im 6'4"
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Just gotta get thin seats and bolt them to the floor :wink:
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Im with fatty. Lincoln has lost its touch. Id get a Miata over that.
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Id look retarded in a miata. Im 6'4"
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Just gotta get thin seats and bolt them to the floor :wink:
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[quote author=bondservant link=topic=200983.msg4149597#msg4149597 date=1321585385]Josh, put in your order, we'll start planning your mods...
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I'm working on it! :lol: I'd have that bitch on air with 22's before I even drove it from the lot if I could.
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I'm working on it! :lol: I'd have that bitch on air with 22's before I even drove it from the lot if I could.
Personally, I loved the waterfall grille on the previous model.. this grille update, not so much -- I've never really been a fan of the billet grille look on anything. Who knows, maybe it will grow on me.. I'm much more interested in seeing the new MKZ, anyway.
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[quote author=Seasonalskier link=topic=200983.msg4149619#msg4149619 date=1321587333]
But honestly while Ford would like to dream and think that Lincoln could compete with an Audi or stuff like that it can't. So you can't really compare the two.
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We certainly can compare the two since they're priced comparably and are trying to target the same buyers. The current Lincoln lineup is nothing but fail.
Maybe once they stop with the badge engineering nonsense they'll go further. Right now it's hard to sell me on a $35k rebadged Fusion, $45k rebadged Taurus, etc. ad nauseum. Hopefully the ditching of the Mercury deadweight will push them to actually overhaul Lincoln and not just talk about it. The current models just aren't doing it.
But honestly while Ford would like to dream and think that Lincoln could compete with an Audi or stuff like that it can't. So you can't really compare the two.
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We certainly can compare the two since they're priced comparably and are trying to target the same buyers. The current Lincoln lineup is nothing but fail.
Maybe once they stop with the badge engineering nonsense they'll go further. Right now it's hard to sell me on a $35k rebadged Fusion, $45k rebadged Taurus, etc. ad nauseum. Hopefully the ditching of the Mercury deadweight will push them to actually overhaul Lincoln and not just talk about it. The current models just aren't doing it.
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Fatty, you and I have been down this road before. There are LOTS of companies that just "rebadge" their cars... Audi is no different! It is nothing more than a glorified Volkswagen. Chrysler is a glorified Dodge, Lexus a glorified Toyota and Acura a glorified Honda. Why is Lincoln so bad for being a glorified Ford?
I don't disagree that I'd like to see them start putting some new life into the Lincoln brand, I'm a fan of the company and would LOVE to see some new and exciting ideas. But when the parent company is just starting to get back on it's feet you can't expect the world right away. I'm sure you're well aware of the obscene R&D costs associated with something like that, so in the mean time they'll keep themselves afloat by rebadging and giving people like me something more than "just a Fusion".
I don't disagree that I'd like to see them start putting some new life into the Lincoln brand, I'm a fan of the company and would LOVE to see some new and exciting ideas. But when the parent company is just starting to get back on it's feet you can't expect the world right away. I'm sure you're well aware of the obscene R&D costs associated with something like that, so in the mean time they'll keep themselves afloat by rebadging and giving people like me something more than "just a Fusion".
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[quote author=Canadian_LX link=topic=200983.msg4149753#msg4149753 date=1321625344]
Fatty, you and I have been down this road before. There are LOTS of companies that just "rebadge" their cars... Audi is no different! It is nothing more than a glorified Volkswagen. Chrysler is a glorified Dodge, Lexus a glorified Toyota and Acura a glorified Honda. Why is Lincoln so bad for being a glorified Ford?
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Badge engineering has never worked for Lincoln. Simply stating that this slow evolution is a waste of resources....
As for the others, I LOL thinking that the same amount of quality upgrades goes into, say, an MKZ as an ES gets over a Camry or an A4 over a VW. Just isn't the case. Every single automotive publication seems to agree as well. It also doesn't help that the other rebadges you refer to blow the rebadged Fords out of the water while the Ford badged products are wholly competitive at their price point.
[quote author=Canadian_LX link=topic=200983.msg4149753#msg4149753 date=1321625344]
I don't disagree that I'd like to see them start putting some new life into the Lincoln brand, I'm a fan of the company and would LOVE to see some new and exciting ideas. But when the parent company is just starting to get back on it's feet you can't expect the world right away. I'm sure you're well aware of the obscene R&D costs associated with something like that, so in the mean time they'll keep themselves afloat by rebadging and giving people like me something more than "just a Fusion".
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Fair enough, but let's not act like this is a new problem. Ford got extremely lazy with their premium brand when they were selling 10k Navigators a month. Their problems aren't really a lack of potential resources, rather neglect and mismanagement. I'm still glad they kept Lincoln instead of Mercury, though.
Fatty, you and I have been down this road before. There are LOTS of companies that just "rebadge" their cars... Audi is no different! It is nothing more than a glorified Volkswagen. Chrysler is a glorified Dodge, Lexus a glorified Toyota and Acura a glorified Honda. Why is Lincoln so bad for being a glorified Ford?
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Badge engineering has never worked for Lincoln. Simply stating that this slow evolution is a waste of resources....
As for the others, I LOL thinking that the same amount of quality upgrades goes into, say, an MKZ as an ES gets over a Camry or an A4 over a VW. Just isn't the case. Every single automotive publication seems to agree as well. It also doesn't help that the other rebadges you refer to blow the rebadged Fords out of the water while the Ford badged products are wholly competitive at their price point.
[quote author=Canadian_LX link=topic=200983.msg4149753#msg4149753 date=1321625344]
I don't disagree that I'd like to see them start putting some new life into the Lincoln brand, I'm a fan of the company and would LOVE to see some new and exciting ideas. But when the parent company is just starting to get back on it's feet you can't expect the world right away. I'm sure you're well aware of the obscene R&D costs associated with something like that, so in the mean time they'll keep themselves afloat by rebadging and giving people like me something more than "just a Fusion".
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Fair enough, but let's not act like this is a new problem. Ford got extremely lazy with their premium brand when they were selling 10k Navigators a month. Their problems aren't really a lack of potential resources, rather neglect and mismanagement. I'm still glad they kept Lincoln instead of Mercury, though.
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I don't think the new Lincolns are getting "blown out of the water" per se. They may not be competitive in the performance area but I still think they offer a pretty decent product for the price you pay. Lincoln seems to be going the way of technological advancement vs simply power and glamour.
I just wish they would get rid of the Navigator. What an ugly POS.
I just wish they would get rid of the Navigator. What an ugly POS.
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I don't think the new Lincolns are getting "blown out of the water" per se. They may not be competitive in the performance area but I still think they offer a pretty decent product for the price you pay. Lincoln seems to be going the way of technological advancement vs simply power and glamour.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about that. I don't really care about in-car entertainment integration. Wish they'd focus more on the real technologies, although the Ecoboost hand-me-downs from Ford are certainly a great start. Maybe the future will be brighter and maybe they'll finally have something that compares well against the Germans and the likes of Lexus (or, at this point, even Hyundai :shock: ). Until then, I hope they have enough Ford loyalists who somehow aren't tempted to walk onto any competitor's lot for a test drive.
I don't think the new Lincolns are getting "blown out of the water" per se. They may not be competitive in the performance area but I still think they offer a pretty decent product for the price you pay. Lincoln seems to be going the way of technological advancement vs simply power and glamour.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about that. I don't really care about in-car entertainment integration. Wish they'd focus more on the real technologies, although the Ecoboost hand-me-downs from Ford are certainly a great start. Maybe the future will be brighter and maybe they'll finally have something that compares well against the Germans and the likes of Lexus (or, at this point, even Hyundai :shock: ). Until then, I hope they have enough Ford loyalists who somehow aren't tempted to walk onto any competitor's lot for a test drive.
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